Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ

[Ineva]

Personally, I consider Messianic Judaism to be rather synonymous with Christianity. But, I do respect the maintenance of some customarily Jewish traditions.

Of course, you very well could be Messianic and ethnically Jewish for all I know, which means you would be a(n ethnic) Jew regardless of your faith.

While I am neither Jewish nor Messianic, I always thought the Messianics got too much flack. I can completely understand a Jewish person wanting to convert to Christianity while still maintaining their culture and heritage.

See, you kind of pointed out the quirk with Messianic Judaism in what you said: It is more or less a conversion to Christianity. So, again, while I do appreciate the maintenance of Jewish customs and traditions, Messianic Judaism is not really Judaism so much as it is Christianity.

Ethel summed it up quite nicely.

[Scandoslavkostia]

Personally, I consider Messianic Judaism to be rather synonymous with Christianity. But, I do respect the maintenance of some customarily Jewish traditions.

Of course, you very well could be Messianic and ethnically Jewish for all I know, which means you would be a(n ethnic) Jew regardless of your faith.

While I am neither Jewish nor Messianic, I always thought the Messianics got too much flack. I can completely understand a Jewish person wanting to convert to Christianity while still maintaining their culture and heritage.

I converted from atheism to Messianic Judaism.

[Neutraligon]

Sorry to say but I see messianic as Christians who have a really shitty agenda.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Sorry to say but I see messianic as Christians who have a really shitty agenda.

What shitty agenda is that?

[Ethel mermania]

Sorry to say but I see messianic as Christians who have a really shitty agenda.

What shitty agenda is that?

Convert jews

[Repreteop]

Sorry to say but I see messianic as Christians who have a really shitty agenda.

Messianic Judaism is not Judaism. You can be Jewish and adhere to Messianic Judaism, but I never would view it as a valid form of Judaism. Messianic Judaism is only really 50/60 years old from what I've seen (excluding Hebrew Christianity)

Most rabbis when you tell them you wish to become Jewish actually ask you if you believe in Jesus Christ because of how problematic its gotten. Hell, even my father asked me when I did a formal conversion process just to be on the safe side.

[The Archregimancy]

On a slightly lighter but still somewhat solemn note, I found myself - appropriately enough for Passover but not intentionally - walking around Budapest's Jewish Quarter on Tuesday of this past week. The Great Synagogue was closed (how dare Budapest's Jewish community honour one of the most important religious festivals of the year when I'm in town!), but I was pleasantly surprised at how clearly vibrant and active the city's Jewish community is 80 years after the terrible events of 1944-45.

The old Jewish Quarter (which covers a much larger area than the '44-'45 ghetto) is now an odd juxtaposition of Jewish heritage, broader Hungarian cultural heritage, and Budapest's party district - it's slightly odd seeing a fairly full-on nightlife district interspersed with kosher supermarkets, Hungarian-Hebrew schools, Holocaust memorials, the Liszt Academy, and an old church or two; but somehow it works. Not sure I'd want to be strolling through at 1:00 am on a Friday-Saturday night, though. The Orthodox Synagogue is right on the same street as the city's most famous bar complex, which must make for an odd Shabbat.

[Ethel mermania]

On a slightly lighter but still somewhat solemn note, I found myself - appropriately enough for Passover but not intentionally - walking around Budapest's Jewish Quarter on Tuesday of this past week. The Great Synagogue was closed (how dare Budapest's Jewish community honour one of the most important religious festivals of the year when I'm in town!), but I was pleasantly surprised at how clearly vibrant and active the city's Jewish community is 80 years after the terrible events of 1944-45.

The old Jewish Quarter (which covers a much larger area than the '44-'45 ghetto) is now an odd juxtaposition of Jewish heritage, broader Hungarian cultural heritage, and Budapest's party district - it's slightly odd seeing a fairly full-on nightlife district interspersed with kosher supermarkets, Hungarian-Hebrew schools, Holocaust memorials, the Liszt Academy, and an old church or two; but somehow it works. Not sure I'd want to be strolling through at 1:00 am on a Friday-Saturday night, though. The Orthodox Synagogue is right on the same street as the city's most famous bar complex, which must make for an odd Shabbat.

Kaballah says the sabbath is ushering in the queen of the week, what better way to celebrate the queen and day of rest than a lively bar scene.

I never got sent there, I always did want to go

[Benuty]

While I am neither Jewish nor Messianic, I always thought the Messianics got too much flack. I can completely understand a Jewish person wanting to convert to Christianity while still maintaining their culture and heritage.

Believing in christ kinda says Christian in pretty large letters. Folks can still have matzohball soup and eat brisket on passover without being jewish.

The only way to really be messianic and Jewish is to believe the late Lubavitche Rebbe is the Messiah. They get all the benefits of Halakha, and avoid (at least for a century or two) the problem of the nineteenth part of the Amidah.

[The Archregimancy]

On a slightly lighter but still somewhat solemn note, I found myself - appropriately enough for Passover but not intentionally - walking around Budapest's Jewish Quarter on Tuesday of this past week. The Great Synagogue was closed (how dare Budapest's Jewish community honour one of the most important religious festivals of the year when I'm in town!), but I was pleasantly surprised at how clearly vibrant and active the city's Jewish community is 80 years after the terrible events of 1944-45.

The old Jewish Quarter (which covers a much larger area than the '44-'45 ghetto) is now an odd juxtaposition of Jewish heritage, broader Hungarian cultural heritage, and Budapest's party district - it's slightly odd seeing a fairly full-on nightlife district interspersed with kosher supermarkets, Hungarian-Hebrew schools, Holocaust memorials, the Liszt Academy, and an old church or two; but somehow it works. Not sure I'd want to be strolling through at 1:00 am on a Friday-Saturday night, though. The Orthodox Synagogue is right on the same street as the city's most famous bar complex, which must make for an odd Shabbat.

Kaballah says the sabbath is ushering in the queen of the week, what better way to celebrate the queen and day of rest than a lively bar scene.

I never got sent there, I always did want to go

I defer to your view on the Jewish Sabbath, of course; I claim no expertise. If it works, it works.

And I think you would enjoy Budapest - and generally as a city, not just for the surprisingly vibrant Jewish community.

[Ohnoh]

I'm religious enough to hate my life a little more this week lol

[Repreteop]

While I am neither Jewish nor Messianic, I always thought the Messianics got too much flack. I can completely understand a Jewish person wanting to convert to Christianity while still maintaining their culture and heritage.

See, you kind of pointed out the quirk with Messianic Judaism in what you said: It is more or less a conversion to Christianity. So, again, while I do appreciate the maintenance of Jewish customs and traditions, Messianic Judaism is not really Judaism so much as it is Christianity.

Ethel summed it up quite nicely.

I don't think you even have to do much to become a Messianic Jew, nothing along the lines of what you have to do to convert to actual Judaism.

[La Xinga]

I hope Meron still has their Lag B'Omer celebration this year, even though rockets hit the mountain yesterday.
Then again, a place where 100k Jews are packed together is probably what a terrorist wants.

[Ravemath]

Non-religious person here, but happy Passover!

[Ineva]

Non-religious person here, but happy Passover!

Many thanks!

[Almighty Biden]

So is it true that people in Israel were going to sacrifice a red heifer for Passover?

[Kerwa]

So is it true that people in Israel were going to sacrifice a red heifer for Passover?

As far as I know, no. They have the heifers but there’s all kinds of stuff not worked out yet. It’s also illegal.

[Ineva]

Unfortunately, that is the extent of my knowledge for Esperanto, Lol. Though, I think I understand that you are purchasing a kippah?

Of course, this is the Esperanto thread; if you would prefer I take this to telegrams, that is fine, too.

Jes!

For a while, I didn't wear one because i was busy formally converting (and broke). You see, my father is Jewish, meaning my bloodline wasn't from my mother. I decided to just order one. The area I live in only has one synagogue, which is reform, which has Shabbat services only once per month, so its not really something big.

I plan on wearing it when I get it most of the time to signify that I am Jewish. I tend to need reminders of who I am so I can keep my mind on G-d.

(I'd try to stay on track here and speak in Esperanto for now on, we have our own thread lol)

That was a good point, so I am replying here.

That is cool! I think most synagogues provide kippahs for free, though I am not sure how it works for Reform ones. Is yours customized?

Oh, and have you had a b'nai mitzvah and/or made Aliyah (understandably not the latter if you planned on visiting recently)?

[Repreteop]

Jes!

For a while, I didn't wear one because i was busy formally converting (and broke). You see, my father is Jewish, meaning my bloodline wasn't from my mother. I decided to just order one. The area I live in only has one synagogue, which is reform, which has Shabbat services only once per month, so its not really something big.

I plan on wearing it when I get it most of the time to signify that I am Jewish. I tend to need reminders of who I am so I can keep my mind on G-d.

(I'd try to stay on track here and speak in Esperanto for now on, we have our own thread lol)

That was a good point, so I am replying here.

That is cool! I think most synagogues provide kippahs for free, though I am not sure how it works for Reform ones. Is yours customized?

Oh, and have you had a b'nai mitzvah and/or made Aliyah (understandably not the latter if you planned on visiting recently)?

I don't usually have services at mine.

Did not have my bars mitzvah, my father is Jewish but irreligious but later on he sponsored my formal conversion as he was qualified to be a Orthodox rabbi.

Grew up sorta Jewish. To be fair, the conversion was to be more on a safe side as while I grew up part of my life with him, he is not my biological father (however talking to my paternal grandmother has lead me to believe he is Jewish ethnically)

Big thing was I grew up with a Jewish father around when I was 12 but at that time it wasn't my main idea. Around when I got older, I was interested because something drew me to it.

Every so often I go on tangents to check out religions and learn about them, but I usually will always come back to Judaism since its the only thing that makes sense to me. But I like to play the argument so I can see how it works.

Yeah, plan on wearing a Kippah around so I can signify that I am Jewish though. I like having reminders about G-d and to remember there is a G-d more wise and intellectual than me. Just not plausible as I hardly attend synagogue services due my location.

[Ohnoh]

How close have you guys come to accidently eating chometz this week? I got all the way to the checkout counter with some chicken nuggets this afternoon

[Neutraligon]

How close have you guys come to accidently eating chometz this week? I got all the way to the checkout counter with some chicken nuggets this afternoon

Not very close, but then I eat a lot of salads and don't eat bread anymore. The hardest part is that kosher for passover food that are not home cooked tastes like cardboard.

[Benuty]

So is it true that people in Israel were going to sacrifice a red heifer for Passover?

As far as I know, no. They have the heifers but there’s all kinds of stuff not worked out yet. It’s also illegal.

Illegality doesn't curb certain sects from attempting to smuggle animals on the grounds of the Mount and sacrificing. As was the case with a failed smuggling operation involving goats for Pesach.

[Repreteop]

How close have you guys come to accidently eating chometz this week? I got all the way to the checkout counter with some chicken nuggets this afternoon

My blood sugar lead me to eat a burger today, which lasted until I realized what I was doing. The temptation is real.

How close have you guys come to accidently eating chometz this week? I got all the way to the checkout counter with some chicken nuggets this afternoon

Not very close, but then I eat a lot of salads and don't eat bread anymore. The hardest part is that kosher for passover food that are not home cooked tastes like cardboard.

i never was a big fan of eating salads. I always get picky, Caesar salads are alright but most others ick me. I might have to simmer down on bread overall even outside of passover simply because I usually eat bread freely and happily, forgetting that its probably contributing to my health problems.

Whoops...

[Repreteop]

As far as I know, no. They have the heifers but there’s all kinds of stuff not worked out yet. It’s also illegal.

Illegality doesn't curb certain sects from attempting to smuggle animals on the grounds of the Mount and sacrificing. As was the case with a failed smuggling operation involving goats for Pesach.

Its pissing people off alright. But I'm guessing there's not much peace to be ruined by doing something like that.

[Ineva]

That was a good point, so I am replying here.

That is cool! I think most synagogues provide kippahs for free, though I am not sure how it works for Reform ones. Is yours customized?

Oh, and have you had a b'nai mitzvah and/or made Aliyah (understandably not the latter if you planned on visiting recently)?

I don't usually have services at mine.

Did not have my bars mitzvah, my father is Jewish but irreligious but later on he sponsored my formal conversion as he was qualified to be a Orthodox rabbi.

Grew up sorta Jewish. To be fair, the conversion was to be more on a safe side as while I grew up part of my life with him, he is not my biological father (however talking to my paternal grandmother has lead me to believe he is Jewish ethnically)

Big thing was I grew up with a Jewish father around when I was 12 but at that time it wasn't my main idea. Around when I got older, I was interested because something drew me to it.

Every so often I go on tangents to check out religions and learn about them, but I usually will always come back to Judaism since its the only thing that makes sense to me. But I like to play the argument so I can see how it works.

Yeah, plan on wearing a Kippah around so I can signify that I am Jewish though. I like having reminders about G-d and to remember there is a G-d more wise and intellectual than me. Just not plausible as I hardly attend synagogue services due my location.

Gotcha. Have you joined any virtual services?

How close have you guys come to accidently eating chometz this week? I got all the way to the checkout counter with some chicken nuggets this afternoon

It has not been too bad. I have just been eating chocolate-covered matza non-stop. I think I may be the only Jew alive to gain weight during Pesa.