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What Type of Jew are You?

Orthodox
25
8%
Modern Orthodox
5
2%
Conservative
46
15%
Reform
56
19%
Irreligious
108
36%
Other
45
15%
Karaite
10
3%
Reconstructionist
6
2%
 
Total votes : 301

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 31, 2020 12:38 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
La xinga wrote:According to Jewish law, a Jew should not teach the Torah to a non-jew unless that person is willing to become a ger.

Reason? I don't know, but I could guess:

1. The person has some connections with the government, and if he hears something he doesn't like he'll go to the Lord and tell him to kill Jews Chash Vesholem

2. Torah is pure, so can only be learned by Jews? i'm not sure about this one, probably the first answer.
:(

In my family it's called a Muktzah goy!

It's a concept I never liked. I dont think the lord gave us something impossible to do without unpaid labor from the non jew

???

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Solomons Land
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Postby Solomons Land » Sun May 31, 2020 1:40 pm

La xinga wrote:
Ochenea wrote:So I've heard non jews cannot study the Torah? Is this true and why would this be true?

According to Jewish law, a Jew should not teach the Torah to a non-jew unless that person is willing to become a ger.

Reason? I don't know, but I could guess:

1. The person has some connections with the government, and if he hears something he doesn't like he'll go to the Lord and tell him to kill Jews Chash Vesholem

2. Torah is pure, so can only be learned by Jews? i'm not sure about this one, probably the first answer.
The Blaatschapen wrote:
But now I realize, I'd be working every weekend.

I'll pass.

:(

In my family it's called a Muktzah goy!


Two things, first, there area a lot of different opinions involving this issue. Second, you meant a ger tzedek, not just any ger.
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 31, 2020 2:19 pm

Solomons Land wrote:
La xinga wrote:According to Jewish law, a Jew should not teach the Torah to a non-jew unless that person is willing to become a ger.

Reason? I don't know, but I could guess:

1. The person has some connections with the government, and if he hears something he doesn't like he'll go to the Lord and tell him to kill Jews Chash Vesholem

2. Torah is pure, so can only be learned by Jews? i'm not sure about this one, probably the first answer.
:(

In my family it's called a Muktzah goy!


Two things, first, there area a lot of different opinions involving this issue. Second, you meant a ger tzedek, not just any ger.
????

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North Vazdania
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Postby North Vazdania » Sun May 31, 2020 4:53 pm

I hope everyone had a good Shavuis.

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 31, 2020 4:58 pm

North Vazdania wrote:I hope everyone had a good Shavuis.

Did you? :)

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North Vazdania
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Postby North Vazdania » Sun May 31, 2020 5:17 pm

La xinga wrote:
North Vazdania wrote:I hope everyone had a good Shavuis.

Did you? :)

B"H it went well!

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Postby Menassa » Sun May 31, 2020 9:07 pm

Ochenea wrote:So I've heard non jews cannot study the Torah? Is this true and why would this be true?

It is not true. There have in the passed been issues with second century (and previous) pagans but there is no problem with the 'modern' gentile 'studying' the Torah.

As I write this Modern Gentile sounds like a decent name for a clothing/cosmetics line.

The Blaatschapen wrote:How do you call a shellfish that is not jewish?

a goyster


Matzah is called "the bread of affliction" since it was given to us by our captors in Egypt.

What do you call someone who takes pleasure in the bread of affliction?

A Matzahchist
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun May 31, 2020 9:08 pm

La xinga wrote:
Ochenea wrote:So I've heard non jews cannot study the Torah? Is this true and why would this be true?

According to Jewish law, a Jew should not teach the Torah to a non-jew unless that person is willing to become a ger.

Reason? I don't know, but I could guess:

1. The person has some connections with the government, and if he hears something he doesn't like he'll go to the Lord and tell him to kill Jews Chash Vesholem

2. Torah is pure, so can only be learned by Jews? i'm not sure about this one, probably the first answer.

That's not entirely true anymore.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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The Blaatschapen
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:55 am

Menassa wrote:
Ochenea wrote:So I've heard non jews cannot study the Torah? Is this true and why would this be true?

It is not true. There have in the passed been issues with second century (and previous) pagans but there is no problem with the 'modern' gentile 'studying' the Torah.

As I write this Modern Gentile sounds like a decent name for a clothing/cosmetics line.

The Blaatschapen wrote:How do you call a shellfish that is not jewish?

a goyster


Matzah is called "the bread of affliction" since it was given to us by our captors in Egypt.

What do you call someone who takes pleasure in the bread of affliction?

A Matzahchist


It's always nice to see someone rise up to the challenge :)

Unlike their bread.
The Blaatschapen should resign

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:11 am

Menassa wrote:
La xinga wrote:According to Jewish law, a Jew should not teach the Torah to a non-jew unless that person is willing to become a ger.

Reason? I don't know, but I could guess:

1. The person has some connections with the government, and if he hears something he doesn't like he'll go to the Lord and tell him to kill Jews Chash Vesholem

2. Torah is pure, so can only be learned by Jews? i'm not sure about this one, probably the first answer.

That's not entirely true anymore.

I wouldn't say you can change the Torah.
Menassa wrote:
Ochenea wrote:So I've heard non jews cannot study the Torah? Is this true and why would this be true?

It is not true. There have in the passed been issues with second century (and previous) pagans but there is no problem with the 'modern' gentile 'studying' the Torah.

As I write this Modern Gentile sounds like a decent name for a clothing/cosmetics line.

The Blaatschapen wrote:How do you call a shellfish that is not jewish?

a goyster


Matzah is called "the bread of affliction" since it was given to us by our captors in Egypt.

What do you call someone who takes pleasure in the bread of affliction?

A Matzahchist

And if he's money?
A MACHTIZIS HASHEKEL!
lol:
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 am

La xinga wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It's a concept I never liked. I dont think the lord gave us something impossible to do without unpaid labor from the non jew

???


A shabbos goy should not be necessary in order to be a sabbath compliant jew.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:14 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
La xinga wrote:???


A shabbos goy should not be necessary in order to be a sabbath compliant jew.

I'm not sure what thou means by this.

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Solomons Land
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Postby Solomons Land » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:58 pm

La xinga wrote:
Menassa wrote:That's not entirely true anymore.

I wouldn't say you can change the Torah.
Menassa wrote:It is not true. There have in the passed been issues with second century (and previous) pagans but there is no problem with the 'modern' gentile 'studying' the Torah.

As I write this Modern Gentile sounds like a decent name for a clothing/cosmetics line.



Matzah is called "the bread of affliction" since it was given to us by our captors in Egypt.

What do you call someone who takes pleasure in the bread of affliction?

A Matzahchist

And if he's money?
A MACHTIZIS HASHEKEL!
lol:


What do you call beverages drunk by the Israelites?

Jewce
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:05 pm

I was going to make a joke about jewish beer. However hebrews beer already exists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmaltz_Brewing_Company
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:25 pm

Solomons Land wrote:
La xinga wrote:I wouldn't say you can change the Torah.

And if he's money?
A MACHTIZIS HASHEKEL!
lol:


What do you call beverages drunk by the Israelites?

Jewce

what do you call a Jew that's orange?

ORANGE JUICE

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Auristania
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Postby Auristania » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:26 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:I was going to make a joke about jewish beer. However hebrews beer already exists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmaltz_Brewing_Company

. heBREW

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Postby Fahran » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:34 pm

Are we doing Jewish jokes again?

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:29 am

Fahran wrote:Are we doing Jewish jokes again?

Not good ones, no.

No one knows Myron cohen
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:51 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Fahran wrote:Are we doing Jewish jokes again?

Not good ones, no.

No one knows Myron cohen


Nor Max Tailleur :(
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:58 am

But fine, here's an actual joke.

A tax inspector is visiting the synagogue. He asks the local rabbi, "I see you sell a lot of candles. What do you do with the left over candle wax". The rabbi answers "we collect it, send it to the manufacturer and once in a while they send us a free box of candles".

"Alright", says the tax inspector, disappointed that the question had such a practical answer. "I also see that you sell a lot of Matzos. What do you do with the bread crumbs?".

The rabbi, figuring that the tax inspector is trying to lure him into a trap, answers "we collect the crumbs, send them to the manufacturer and once in a while they send us a free box of matzos".

"I understand", says the tax inspector, quickly thinking to make it really hard for the rabbi.

"So, with the circumcisions, what do you with the foreskins?" asks the tax inspector.

"Ah", says the rabbi. "We collect those, send them to the tax office, and once in a while they send us a dick to inspect our books".
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:36 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:But fine, here's an actual joke.

A tax inspector is visiting the synagogue. He asks the local rabbi, "I see you sell a lot of candles. What do you do with the left over candle wax". The rabbi answers "we collect it, send it to the manufacturer and once in a while they send us a free box of candles".

"Alright", says the tax inspector, disappointed that the question had such a practical answer. "I also see that you sell a lot of Matzos. What do you do with the bread crumbs?".

The rabbi, figuring that the tax inspector is trying to lure him into a trap, answers "we collect the crumbs, send them to the manufacturer and once in a while they send us a free box of matzos".

"I understand", says the tax inspector, quickly thinking to make it really hard for the rabbi.

"So, with the circumcisions, what do you with the foreskins?" asks the tax inspector.

"Ah", says the rabbi. "We collect those, send them to the tax office, and once in a while they send us a dick to inspect our books".

LOL that's a good one. I know more stories than jokes. I actually know a joke, but it's probably not allowed on NSG.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:37 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not good ones, no.

No one knows Myron cohen


Nor Max Tailleur :(

I didn't know him
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Nor Max Tailleur :(

I didn't know him


He was a Jewish-Dutch comedian. I talked to you about him before. I have a book with his jokes *somewhere* at my parents. My last trip there didn't yield any results in finding said book though :(

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Tailleur
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Postby La Xinga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:42 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I didn't know him


He was a Jewish-Dutch comedian. I talked to you about him before. I have a book with his jokes *somewhere* at my parents. My last trip there didn't yield any results in finding said book though :(

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Tailleur

Was he religious?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:14 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I didn't know him


He was a Jewish-Dutch comedian. I talked to you about him before. I have a book with his jokes *somewhere* at my parents. My last trip there didn't yield any results in finding said book though :(

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Tailleur

I did do a quick wiki swiss internment camp, found a living in comedy later in life.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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