Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ

[La Xinga]

Hope you all didn't forget Hallel, Burchi Nafshi, and Mussaf today.

[Menassa]

That's because Misnagdim are so gargantuanly better.

Hey, what do you have against Chasidim?

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

[Solomons Land]

Hey, what do you have against Chasidim?

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

https://www.sefaria.org/Exodus.20.12?la ... l&lang2=en
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... Mother.htm

[La Xinga]

Hey, what do you have against Chasidim?

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

Respect the father?

[Ethel mermania]

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

Respect the father?

What if the father is abusive?

[The Blaatschapen]

Respect the father?

What if the father is abusive?

Oh right, old testament

[Dylar]

Hey, what do you have against Chasidim?

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

[insert Dark Knight Joker meme]

[La Xinga]

Respect the father?

What if the father is abusive?

Rashi says what respect is:

Serve him food and drink, put on his shoes and clothing, escort him in and out.

If you go close to him and he hits you, then you should avoid that!

[La Xinga]

They should make a FORUM7 thread: Which trope of the Torah represents the AN?

UCP is definitely a Shalsheles!

[Solomons Land]

They should make a FORUM7 thread: Which trope of the Torah represents the AN?

UCP is definitely a Shalsheles!

I worry that could come too close to proselytization. I think this thread is OK, as it is clear it is meant for Jews, anyone else is excepted, but not invited. With something like that, it may seem as if we are trying to teach Goyim that do not want to learn about Torah.

[La Xinga]

They should make a FORUM7 thread: Which trope of the Torah represents the AN?

UCP is definitely a Shalsheles!

I worry that could come too close to proselytization. I think this thread is OK, as it is clear it is meant for Jews, anyone else is excepted, but not invited. With something like that, it may seem as if we are trying to teach Goyim that do not want to learn about Torah.

I know! It was meant as a joke.

[Solomons Land]

I worry that could come too close to proselytization. I think this thread is OK, as it is clear it is meant for Jews, anyone else is excepted, but not invited. With something like that, it may seem as if we are trying to teach Goyim that do not want to learn about Torah.

I know! It was meant as a joke.

On an unrelated note, what does "and Marrabuk said to Larasi" mean?

[La Xinga]

I know! It was meant as a joke.

On an unrelated note, what does "and Marrabuk said to Larasi" mean?

Region stuff.

[Solomons Land]

I know some Modern Orthodox men have been saying that transgender cross-dressing is permissible. What do you guys think?

[Hanafuridake]

They remind me of my father .... I hated my father.

[insert Dark Knight Joker meme]

"You wanna know how I got these payot?"

[La Xinga]

I know some Modern Orthodox men have been saying that transgender cross-dressing is permissible. What do you guys think?

As an Orthodox person, no. No way. Learn Achrei Mos, all those "ervas" pesukim. NO NO NO. Not tznius, and in Devarim Perek 22 Pasuk 5 it says:

לֹא־יִֽהְיֶ֤ה כְלִי־גֶ֨בֶר֙ עַל־אִשָּׁ֔ה וְלֹֽא־יִלְבַּ֥שׁ גֶּ֖בֶר שִׂמְלַ֣ת אִשָּׁ֑ה כִּ֧י תֽוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶי֖ךָ כָּל־עֹ֥שֵׂה אֵֽלֶּה:
English:
A man's attire shall not be on a woman, nor may a man wear a woman's garment because whoever does this is an abomination to Hashem, your God.

[Neutraligon]

I know some Modern Orthodox men have been saying that transgender cross-dressing is permissible. What do you guys think?

As an Orthodox person, no. No way. Learn Achrei Mos, all those "ervas" pesukim. NO NO NO. Not tznius, and in Devarim Perek 22 Pasuk 5 it says:

לֹא־יִֽהְיֶ֤ה כְלִי־גֶ֨בֶר֙ עַל־אִשָּׁ֔ה וְלֹֽא־יִלְבַּ֥שׁ גֶּ֖בֶר שִׂמְלַ֣ת אִשָּׁ֑ה כִּ֧י תֽוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶי֖ךָ כָּל־עֹ֥שֵׂה אֵֽלֶּה:
English:
A man's attire shall not be on a woman, nor may a man wear a woman's garment because whoever does this is an abomination to Hashem, your God.

Is a man a man because he has a penis or because god gave him a spirit that is that of a man?

[La Xinga]

As an Orthodox person, no. No way. Learn Achrei Mos, all those "ervas" pesukim. NO NO NO. Not tznius, and in Devarim Perek 22 Pasuk 5 it says:

לֹא־יִֽהְיֶ֤ה כְלִי־גֶ֨בֶר֙ עַל־אִשָּׁ֔ה וְלֹֽא־יִלְבַּ֥שׁ גֶּ֖בֶר שִׂמְלַ֣ת אִשָּׁ֑ה כִּ֧י תֽוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶי֖ךָ כָּל־עֹ֥שֵׂה אֵֽלֶּה:
English:
A man's attire shall not be on a woman, nor may a man wear a woman's garment because whoever does this is an abomination to Hashem, your God.

Is a man a man because he has a penis or because god gave him a spirit that is that of a man?

There are sometimes cases that a female neshama is put into the guf of a male, or the oppisite. Are you asking that?

[Neutraligon]

Is a man a man because he has a penis or because god gave him a spirit that is that of a man?

There are sometimes cases that a female neshama is put into the guf of a male, or the oppisite. Are you asking that?

Yes, since that is what a trans person is, a female soul in a male or a male in a female.

[La Xinga]

There are sometimes cases that a female neshama is put into the guf of a male, or the oppisite. Are you asking that?

Yes, since that is what a trans person is, a female soul in a male or a male in a female.

Isn't a trans person a person who wants to be the other gender for reasons?

But to your question, I'd say that they'd be considered what their body is, but i'm not a rav, so I cannot say clearly. I'm reasoning this because you cannot know for sure what soul you have, and there are no mistakes in heaven, so clearly Hashem wanted the neshama to go to a body of someone else's gender.

[Neutraligon]

Yes, since that is what a trans person is, a female soul in a male or a male in a female.

Isn't a trans person a person who wants to be the other gender for reasons?

But to your question, I'd say that they'd be considered what their body is, but i'm not a rav, so I cannot say clearly. I'm reasoning this because you cannot know for sure what soul you have, and there are no mistakes in heaven, so clearly Hashem wanted the neshama to go to a body of someone else's gender.

A trans person is a person who does not identify as the sex they where assigned at birth. Since identity is core part of who a person is, is in essence, the soul of the person, then a trans person is someone whose body and soul do not align. So the question is, which dictates the dress of a person, the body (which can be changed using modern medicine), or the soul.

[La Xinga]

Isn't a trans person a person who wants to be the other gender for reasons?

But to your question, I'd say that they'd be considered what their body is, but i'm not a rav, so I cannot say clearly. I'm reasoning this because you cannot know for sure what soul you have, and there are no mistakes in heaven, so clearly Hashem wanted the neshama to go to a body of someone else's gender.

A trans person is a person who does not identify as the sex they where assigned at birth. Since identity is core part of who a person is, is in essence, the soul of the person, then a trans person is someone whose body and soul do not align. So the question is, which dictates the dress of a person, the body (which can be changed using modern medicine), or the soul.

Since clothing is physical, and the body is physical, I'd say the body, don't forget there are also Atheist trans people!

[Neutraligon]

A trans person is a person who does not identify as the sex they where assigned at birth. Since identity is core part of who a person is, is in essence, the soul of the person, then a trans person is someone whose body and soul do not align. So the question is, which dictates the dress of a person, the body (which can be changed using modern medicine), or the soul.

Since clothing is physical, and the body is physical, I'd say the body, don't forget there are also Atheist trans people!

Of course there are atheist trans people, but if a god exists, then regardless of their belief they are a soul in the wrong body. As to since clothes and the boy are both physical do it to the body, then you harm the soul by denying it. If god intentionally placed a male soul in a female body, why do you ignore the soul for the body? It would seem to me that intentionally placing a male soul in a female body, as you claim god makes no mistakes, would mean that god focus's on the soul. In which case it is the soul that should determine dress.

[La Xinga]

Since clothing is physical, and the body is physical, I'd say the body, don't forget there are also Atheist trans people!

Of course there are atheist trans people, but if a god exists, then regardless of their belief they are a soul in the wrong body. As to since clothes and the boy are both physical do it to the body, then you harm the soul by denying it. If god intentionally placed a male soul in a female body, why do you ignore the soul for the body? It would seem to me that intentionally placing a male soul in a female body, as you claim god makes no mistakes, would mean that god focus's on the soul. In which case it is the soul that should determine dress.

The soul didn't want to come to earth in the first place. We actually don't know who's soul is whos, so we cannot assume: This guy is actually female.

[Neutraligon]

Of course there are atheist trans people, but if a god exists, then regardless of their belief they are a soul in the wrong body. As to since clothes and the boy are both physical do it to the body, then you harm the soul by denying it. If god intentionally placed a male soul in a female body, why do you ignore the soul for the body? It would seem to me that intentionally placing a male soul in a female body, as you claim god makes no mistakes, would mean that god focus's on the soul. In which case it is the soul that should determine dress.

The soul didn't want to come to earth in the first place. We actually don't know who's soul is whos, so we cannot assume: This guy is actually female.

You think we cannot actually know about our own soul, even the smallest bit? As to not wanting to come to earth in the first place, why does that matter, the fact remains god placed a male soul in a female body.