American Exceptionalism and History Class

[The Rich Port]

Once in a blue corn moon.

Whatever the fuck that is, Disney's Pocahontas.

Blue moon refers to the event where there is a second full moon, usually within the same month; or the third moon within a season of four moons in a year.

It's supposed to be a rare event.

Yeah, but what's a BLUE CORN moon?

Anyway, yeah, I'm thinking that even I, who does not know what that is, used it better than they did in that movie.

Speaking of historical revisionism resembling historical fantasy.

[Fson]

Compare the achievements of Sudan, Albania, Bhutan, or nearly every other countries to ours.

All you had to do was shoot a few Mexicans and you had all the land and resoures necessary to become a world power. The tiny British Isles ruled the waves and had the greatest Empire ever becauses of the greatness of the Senior Service, France was surrounded by monarchs always ready to fight against her and violate her borders and still survived against all odds. America had virtually everything necessary to be a great country given to her.

"Shoot a few Mexicans"???? real classy pal

[Genivaria]

People like looking good?

This isn't shocking.

Also, it should be noted that preparing young to become citizens is mainly what education is for.

I don't think there's much more then a single year of government class in middle school that does that.
I personally would support schools instilling ethics into elementary class.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I had a feeling we agreed.

Agreement happens around here from time to time.

No, it doesn't!

[Estado Nacional]

It seems like CO has turned into another WA.

[Sacarap]

Man, Americans are nuts!

[Timsvill]

A little while ago, there was another thread on here about how some conservatives were complaining about 'negative' the AP US history curriculum was.

A proposal in a school board in the area around Denver led hundreds of students to walk out of class, because it would "focus history education on topics that promote citizenship, patriotism and respect for authority" and "calls of instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights" and don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law.""

I'm confused, why do people want to censor the history that's taught in classrooms? America has its fair share of bad history, and I think students have a right to know about it. Obviously the US is unique in its own ways, but I don't think that schools should be teaching biased courses to their students. Teach facts, not ideology.

What does NSG think?

Well, say the teacher has a strong opinion on the issue! And they start talking about the "bad times". They start saying how bush was a bad president and start forcing their views onto the students. That's the issue we have. So that's why teachers just say about the good times in a neutral way.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

A little while ago, there was another thread on here about how some conservatives were complaining about 'negative' the AP US history curriculum was.

A proposal in a school board in the area around Denver led hundreds of students to walk out of class, because it would "focus history education on topics that promote citizenship, patriotism and respect for authority" and "calls of instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights" and don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law.""

I'm confused, why do people want to censor the history that's taught in classrooms? America has its fair share of bad history, and I think students have a right to know about it. Obviously the US is unique in its own ways, but I don't think that schools should be teaching biased courses to their students. Teach facts, not ideology.

What does NSG think?

Well, say the teacher has a strong opinion on the issue! And they start talking about the "bad times". They start saying how bush was a bad president and start forcing their views onto the students. That's the issue we have. So that's why teachers just say about the good times in a neutral way.

Say the teacher has a strong opinion that Jim Crow laws were just ducky, and the Freedom Riders were carpetbagging commies. What's your point?

[The New Sea Territory]

We have to be careful about anti-Americanism

History has an anti-American bias.

and anti-Traditionalism

Yeah lolno teaching people to be critical thinkers, especially around "tradition" and "authority" is very beneficial to society. This isn't 1492.

in our schools and society (those who want to take "Under God" out of our pledge, for example).

Satan forbid we follow the Constitution.

Educating kids on patriotism

Is complete bullshit, as patriotism is pride in a made up, arbitrary and imaginary entity.

and citizenship

Doesn't belong in a history class.

is a good idea.

If you abide by pre-Enlightenment modes of thought.

Those who love their country are the best citizens of said country,

Prove this claim that came straight from the rectal cavity.

as they will work hard to make it even better.

In the theoretical, nationalist world you speak of. In the real world, this is not the case.

[Anglo-California]

In the theoretical, nationalist world you speak of. In the real world, this is not the case.

Murkwood is in no way an American nationalist. But by golly is he a Zionist.

[Geilinor]

It seems like CO has turned into another WA.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Geilinor]

don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law.""

Looks like the entire Civil Rights Movement curriculum is out the window.

[The Rich Port]

don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law.""

Looks like the entire Civil Rights Movement curriculum is out the window.

Because, you know, when have civil disorder, social strike, or disregard of the law ever done anything for America?

Oh, right, THAT'S HOW THIS COUNTRY GOT FUCKING FOUNDED.

[Anglo-California]

It seems like CO has turned into another WA.

What is that supposed to mean?

It's chemistry.

Carbon Monoxide became Wolfram Monoamericide.

[Skappola]

Man, Americans are nuts!

Yes, because the US is the only country that has tried to do this. Despite the fact that this caused mass walk-outs among the students, we're still nuts because someone even TRIED to do this. Just like how all Brits are nuts because there was a movement to ban pornography.

[Atlanticatia]

We need to teach the good and bad of American history.

I mean, most Americans will never learn that the Declaration of Independence has a whole section devoted to calling Native Americans subhuman savages. When Americans learn about the Declaration, we can't just learn that we were being heroic and brave by announcing that we were ditching the Crown - we have to learn the bad parts, too. We can't ignore the racist, sexist, and homophobic past of our nation. We need to learn about that to grow from it, and we must also learn about our strengths and positive moments in history.

[Freiheit Reich]

The students have no respect for authority and they are walking out because it is cool to be rebellious. They are just like the hippies in the 1960's.

[Atlanticatia]

The students have no respect for authority and they are walking out because it is cool to be rebellious. They are just like the hippies in the 1960's.

I don't think it's wrong for them to walk out in protest when there's a prospect that they'll be force fed propaganda in indoctrination history classes.

[Saint Jade IV]

Man, Americans are nuts!

Yes, because the US is the only country that has tried to do this. Despite the fact that this caused mass walk-outs among the students, we're still nuts because someone even TRIED to do this. Just like how all Brits are nuts because there was a movement to ban pornography.

I'm actually really impressed. We have a similar situation in Australia happening right now, and not a single fuck could be given from the populace or the students. Really says a lot about how much we value education .

[Freiheit Reich]

The students have no respect for authority and they are walking out because it is cool to be rebellious. They are just like the hippies in the 1960's.

I don't think it's wrong for them to walk out in protest when there's a prospect that they'll be force fed propaganda in indoctrination history classes.

Many countries use propaganda in schools. It increases love for the country. We should tell children the truth but we can skip ugly parts like the Civil Rights movement, the Vietnam War, etc.. We can tell American history but in a positive way and without lying. This will create more nationalism and unity within the nation.

[Greater Weselton]

I love history.

You may well love history. Whether or not you understand it, however, is the point being made. Considering how you refer to things that you don't like as "fascist", I'd say you don't understand history well at all.

I usually get an A in history.

[Othelos]

I don't think it's wrong for them to walk out in protest when there's a prospect that they'll be force fed propaganda in indoctrination history classes.

Many countries use propaganda in schools. It increases love for the country. We should tell children the truth but we can skip ugly parts like the Civil Rights movement, the Vietnam War, etc.. We can tell American history but in a positive way and without lying. This will create more nationalism and unity within the nation.

Education should be about teaching facts, not indoctrination.

Also, the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war are essential aspects of American history.

[United Marxist Nations]

You may well love history. Whether or not you understand it, however, is the point being made. Considering how you refer to things that you don't like as "fascist", I'd say you don't understand history well at all.

I usually get an A in history.

That's so easy that it's not a good measure of one's understanding of history. I mean, when I finished the EOC (99th percentile), I started writing in corrections of the mistakes the test booklet had in it.

[Atlanticatia]

I don't think it's wrong for them to walk out in protest when there's a prospect that they'll be force fed propaganda in indoctrination history classes.

Many countries use propaganda in schools. It increases love for the country. We should tell children the truth but we can skip ugly parts like the Civil Rights movement, the Vietnam War, etc.. We can tell American history but in a positive way and without lying. This will create more nationalism and unity within the nation.

Why is that desirable?

Those events are central to our history, and understanding the current events and politics of today. We can't just be like "uhhh that darned king tried to impose some taxes, so we had a glorious revolution, then we became Super America, then we saved the world from world war 2, and then Ronald Reagan saved the world from SOCIALIZM!!!!! *recites pledge of allegiance*"

[Geilinor]

I don't think it's wrong for them to walk out in protest when there's a prospect that they'll be force fed propaganda in indoctrination history classes.

Many countries use propaganda in schools.

We aren't Nazi Germany or North Korea.