by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:37 pm
by Rebellious Fishermen » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:39 pm
by Republic of Coldwater » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:41 pm
by Lalaki » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:41 pm
by The Grim Reaper » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:41 pm
by Republic of Coldwater » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:42 pm
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:I don't mind a public healthcare plan as long as the private healthcare sector is left alone.
Apparently that's not something anyone can accept with this all or nothing attitude.
by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:43 pm
The Grim Reaper wrote:Because healthcare is a public good. Someone getting treated for Ebola with taxpayer money is a net benefit to society.
The iPod is not. The potato might be, if the consumer can't afford a nutritious diet otherwise.
by United States of The One Percent » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:43 pm
by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:44 pm
United States of The One Percent wrote:First, create a free market somewhere. Then we'll see if it can provide healthcare, or anything else for that matter.
btw do a little research on outcomes and costs before boosting for "the American way," especially in healthcare.
by Pandeeria » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:46 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:46 pm
Avenio wrote:Lots of externalities and the inherent inability to square a profit motivation with providing effective and humane health services.
by Lalaki » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:46 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:United States of The One Percent wrote:First, create a free market somewhere. Then we'll see if it can provide healthcare, or anything else for that matter.
btw do a little research on outcomes and costs before boosting for "the American way," especially in healthcare.
It may cost more but at least we don't have those terrible Canadian wait times. It's like saying that we should ban three-star Michelin restaurants because they are more expensive than McDonalds.
by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:47 pm
by Republic of Coldwater » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:47 pm
Lalaki wrote:If you can't afford to own a house or buy an iPod, that won't affect you. You can still work, pay the bills, etc.
If you can't afford health care and get into an accident, there it is. Think of the millions of Americans without health coverage who are at risk for diseases beyond their control.
However, I believe in providing universal health care through a market system. Similar to Switzerland, if you will. Plus a public option.
by Risottia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:48 pm
by Lalaki » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:48 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
How the fuck did you get that out of what Grim said?
What are you even proposing in this thread?
Every argument that can be said for socializing healthcare can be said for any other product. We know that a command economy is bad, therefore arguments for socializing healthcare are wrong. It's that simple, and it's the truth.
by Occupied Deutschland » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:49 pm
by Pandeeria » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:49 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
How the fuck did you get that out of what Grim said?
What are you even proposing in this thread?
Every argument that can be said for socializing healthcare can be said for any other product. We know that a command economy is bad, therefore arguments for socializing healthcare are wrong. It's that simple, and it's the truth.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Republic of Coldwater » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:49 pm
Lalaki wrote:Reaganiffic wrote:It may cost more but at least we don't have those terrible Canadian wait times. It's like saying that we should ban three-star Michelin restaurants because they are more expensive than McDonalds.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... _blog.html
Most countries with universal health care have shorter waiting periods than the United States. Canada happens to be an exception.
by The Grim Reaper » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:50 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
How the fuck did you get that out of what Grim said?
What are you even proposing in this thread?
Every argument that can be said for socializing healthcare can be said for any other product. We know that a command economy is bad, therefore arguments for socializing healthcare are wrong. It's that simple, and it's the truth.
by Lalaki » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:50 pm
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Lalaki wrote:If you can't afford to own a house or buy an iPod, that won't affect you. You can still work, pay the bills, etc.
If you can't afford health care and get into an accident, there it is. Think of the millions of Americans without health coverage who are at risk for diseases beyond their control.
However, I believe in providing universal health care through a market system. Similar to Switzerland, if you will. Plus a public option.
If you can afford taxes that can pay for health insurance, protection and other necessities then you are more than able to afford private health insurance. The problem is that we have an income tax that costs more than the rest of your living costs. We take that out of the equation, and naturally more people will become insured.
by Reaganiffic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:51 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Reaganiffic wrote:Every argument that can be said for socializing healthcare can be said for any other product. We know that a command economy is bad, therefore arguments for socializing healthcare are wrong. It's that simple, and it's the truth.
I'm not sure if I should point out that socializing healthcare doesn't mean socialism, or if that argument cannot apply to most other products.
Universal Healthcare is good.
by Distruzio » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:51 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
How the fuck did you get that out of what Grim said?
What are you even proposing in this thread?
Every argument that can be said for socializing healthcare can be said for any other product. We know that a command economy is bad, therefore arguments for socializing healthcare are wrong. It's that simple, and it's the truth.
by Pandeeria » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:52 pm
Reaganiffic wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
I'm not sure if I should point out that socializing healthcare doesn't mean socialism, or if that argument cannot apply to most other products.
Universal Healthcare is good.
Why can't those arguments be applied to other products? Other products have similar problems as healthcare but the free market still manages to work its magic.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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