Hip hop is ruining black america

[Mavorpen]

1. Even if that is true, are the majority of black people affected by poverty and racism?

Uh...yes.

Yet it seems that all getting into that mode. Evenmore wgen they are living in a supposedly rich country?

I'm not sure what the country being rich has to do with anything.

2. Ok. But that music does not usually speak abour crime and poverty

Uh, yes they do.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's not a victimization mentality. That's called being aware of reality. Poverty and racism ARE responsible for the major problems facing black people.

Are Republicans fans of rock and roll, country, blues, jazz, etc? Because, you know, they all have significant black influence.

1. Even if that is true, are the majority of black people affected by poverty and racism? Yet it seems that all getting into that mode. Evenmore wgen they are living in a supposedly rich country?
2. Ok. But that music does not usually speak abour crime and poverty

Well, I mean, every song written in black music or music of minorities in the U.S. has to do with the struggles of the artist or his/her demographic group. That isn't new.

[Mavorpen]

1. Even if that is true, are the majority of black people affected by poverty and racism? Yet it seems that all getting into that mode. Evenmore wgen they are living in a supposedly rich country?
2. Ok. But that music does not usually speak abour crime and poverty

Well, I mean, every song written in black music or music of minorities in the U.S. has to do with the struggles of the artist or his/her demographic group. That isn't new.

And it's not like there are topics that are only exclusive to one genre. Musicians don't have to follow the common theme among their genre. They don't even adhere to solely that genre and can fuse elements of different genres.

[Empire of Narnia]

The only hip hop and rap I ever hear is about nightclubs, parties and having lots of money. The "bad" stuff is what people in my community tend to call 90's Rap.

[Geilinor]

The decline of black America has more to do with drugs, the thug culture, and most importantly the breakdown of the black family. Hip hop is just music.

What "decline"? Pretty objectively, the conditions of black Americans have improved since World War II.
Edit: Seriously, where is this "decline of black America" stuff coming from?

[Pope Joan]

The leaders of East Liberty neighborhood in Pittsburgh say that it is a lie to claim that this music "represents the culture". They say that it is degrading, and it undermines the work many have carried on for years to combat negative self image.

Here is what the Rev. Al Sharpton has to say:

"I had a discussion with a few rappers a while back, and I asked them why they use so much profanity and are so misogynistic in their music.

"Rev, we're like a mirror to society," one of the rappers said. "We are merely reflecting what we see."

"Well, I don't know about you, but I use a mirror to correct what's wrong with me," I told them. "I don't look in the mirror to see my hair messed up and my teeth need brushing and just walk out of the house that way. I use the mirror to fix me."

This hip-hop culture must use their music, their influence to correct what's wrong, not to continue to perpetuate what's wrong, not continue to promote what's wrong. They have the power to do that. And if they really want to have an impact on society, they must change their focus and show America the best of us instead of the worst."

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=772

[Alevuss]

That's not a victimization mentality. That's called being aware of reality. Poverty and racism ARE responsible for the major problems facing black people.

Are Republicans fans of rock and roll, country, blues, jazz, etc? Because, you know, they all have significant black influence.

1. Even if that is true, are the majority of black people affected by poverty and racism? Yet it seems that all getting into that mode. Evenmore wgen they are living in a supposedly rich country?
2. Ok. But that music does not usually speak abour crime and poverty

1.) There is a difference between a wealthy state and a wealthy population. In either case, it does not mean that wealth is evenly distributed across all social groups. There are many ways of measuring wealth, such as GDP per capita, median income, average income, and so on. You can further change the image of how wealthy a population is measuring the income or GDP per capita by household instead of individual, as that may also have an effect on social standing/living conditions, despite having a low or high income.

2.) On the contrary, there are songs by people, that touch chords outside of the multi-cultural audience, that deal with murder, illicit drug in-take, and poverty. These songs don't always portray these acts in a negative light either.

[Mavorpen]

The decline of black America has more to do with drugs, the thug culture, and most importantly the breakdown of the black family. Hip hop is just music.

What "decline"? Pretty objectively, the conditions of black Americans have improved since World War II.

I don't know why, but there's this weird and disturbing belief that black people are worse now than under segregation that some people hold.

[Draica]

Music is not what is ruining black America.

As an adolescent black boy AND having lived in "the hood" I see front up what is ruining our community. Lack of supervision, embracement of anti-intellecualism, the thug culture, and violence. I have been outcasted by SOME people of my own race because I "sound white" or I am "acting white" because I talk properly and I'm "smart" in their eyes.

Now, let me mention this, anyone can rise out of this nonsense. It's called education and hardwork, something I intend to see through the whole way. The problem starts with the troubled people of our community and it ends with them. They can fix it, they simply must change how they look at the world and it'll be amazing to how many good things they can do.

[Slavonian kingdom]

1. Even if that is true, are the majority of black people affected by poverty and racism?

Uh...yes.

Yet it seems that all getting into that mode. Evenmore wgen they are living in a supposedly rich country?

I'm not sure what the country being rich has to do with anything.

2. Ok. But that music does not usually speak abour crime and poverty

Uh, yes they do.

1. Source that majority of blacks living in poverty and experuancing racism.
It is still wondering how thoose are not living in poverty go to this gangsta mood.
2. Because there are countries poorer than the US but have less crime than the US. Hip hop has an negativ socio economic impact on the US
3.country and jazz are speajing about crime and drugs... really?

[Roski]

to resist when they constantly ply hip hop

1: Some artist create songs that do that, but not all songs do that. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPHHudm0NTY

2: I'm not a liberal and I love rap music. Broke that stereotype.

3: Last time a "Liberal" media source played "Rap Music", they got in lots of trouble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIcHounLZhY

1. Not all but let us face that the majority of people associate hip hop with crime due to the fact that the best known artists highligting it. Of course, in meanwhile new less known derivations of HH are created.
2. If helps you that
3. So MTV is obvious right leaning?

1: The majority of people hate the United States and would like to see it fall. Humanity is not a valid source.
2: Fuck that supposed to mean?
3: MTV is not a source. Its not even media. MTV is 16 yo white girls getting knocked the fuck up.

[Alcase]

I usually run faster when I listen to hip hop during a long run.

[Eastern Equestria]

So what you're saying is that hip hop is about as complicit in "ruining" black America as it is white America, since hip hop artists cater to the demands and expectations of their predominantly white audience and executives?

The only hip hop and rap I ever hear is about nightclubs, parties and having lots of money. The "bad" stuff is what people in my community tend to call 90's Rap.

Then the people in your community have bad taste.

[Pope Joan]

White brats play that misogynistic crap at top volume while cruising my neighborhood in their daddy's Luxe convertibles.

[Alevuss]

The leaders of East Liberty neighborhood in Pittsburgh say that it is a lie to claim that this music "represents the culture". They say that it is degrading, and it undermines the work many have carried on for years to combat negative self image.

Here is what the Rev. Al Sharpton has to say:

"I had a discussion with a few rappers a while back, and I asked them why they use so much profanity and are so misogynistic in their music.

"Rev, we're like a mirror to society," one of the rappers said. "We are merely reflecting what we see."

"Well, I don't know about you, but I use a mirror to correct what's wrong with me," I told them. "I don't look in the mirror to see my hair messed up and my teeth need brushing and just walk out of the house that way. I use the mirror to fix me."

This hip-hop culture must use their music, their influence to correct what's wrong, not to continue to perpetuate what's wrong, not continue to promote what's wrong. They have the power to do that. And if they really want to have an impact on society, they must change their focus and show America the best of us instead of the worst."

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=772

A "discussion with a few rappers" by one person does not necessarily reflect the work done by the entire community. Also, singers may not necessarily live the life they advertise. They may instead serve as a manifestation of that lifestyle for many people, so as to represent a social group. This may be truer if the figure reaches a very wide audience (this is not to say that no singer commits illegal activities).

If they didn't sing/rap about it, it would become much easier to ignore these social issues. It would be erasure.

[Mavorpen]

1. Source that majority of blacks living in poverty and experuancing racism.

I never said the majority of blacks live in poverty or are actively "experiencing racism".

It is still wondering how thoose are not living in poverty go to this gangsta mood.

You know, I really cannot take you seriously if you don't put effort into making your sentences a scoherent as possible.

2. Because there are countries poorer than the US but have less crime than the US.

Which is because there are stupid things that are illegal that, well, shouldn't be illegal. Not every criminal has committed a crime like rape, theft, or murder.

Hip hop has an negativ socio economic impact on the US

Lolwhut?

3.country and jazz are speajing about crime and drugs... really?

Yes. You need to get out more.

[Estado Nacional]

tl;dr - Racism and cultural appropriation, blah blah blah (at least as far as I read).

You're welcome.

[Draica]

Even though I do partially agree with the OP, I think my generation of my race should really, really, REALLY try embracing intellectualism instead of worrying about what Beyonce is doing, or instead of listening to your boy "young geezy."

Sadly, I cannot hold an intellectual conversation with any person around my age range that is my race. I can hold plenty with my elders(who I respect so much, they went through the civil rights era and jim crow and rised out of that shit, there's no reason my generation should be embracing this thug-like mentality under lesser circumstances) and people in a bit of a more mature mind.

It starts with the individual, period.

[Aurulie]

Blacks have always been on decline, and a music genre doesn't change it.

[Cetacea]

Yes corporate America was founded on a culture of White privilege and black oppression, that has not changed. You are correct too in directly linking Elvis with the Beastie Boys since the system needs to be able to rebrand rising trends of the 'street' and repackage it for popular consumption and the Corporate America brand is Whitebread.

The Beastie boys are interesting in that they also show the double studied of Thug culture as applied to black and white young men. The Beastie Boys embodied the 'young hooligan' persona, which is somewhat parallel to Thug culture but in whitebread culture hooliganism an 'acceptable stage' of its youth who it is believed will eventually 'grow up'. In contrast the Thug life of black youth is not considered a 'stage' but rather a stigma which labels all things 'wrong' with black people. Even Eminems 'white trash' persona is something which Whitebread have no problem disavowing as a cultural aberration rather than a cultural trait.

that being said I do think contemporary popular hip-hop is scrapping the bottom of the barrel pushing thuggery to the masses rather than the intelligent conscious lyrics of the past - like LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Ice-T, De La Soul and Arrested Development

[Roski]

Blacks have always been on decline, and a music genre doesn't change it.

Bullshit.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Which particular tracks strike you as encouraging a victim mentality?

What evidence do you have that white liberals are encouraging the release of rap music?

How are whites being forced to adhere to African'-American culture?

1. The message of this gangster music is generally that becuase of poverty and racism blacks are turning into crime. So, yes hip hop is spreading this victimising mentality among blacks that they are by default peope uncapable to earn money on normal way.

2. Well it is highly unlikely that a Republican would be a fan of this multi-kulti minority inventions

3. When you are sourounded with white people that considered it cool (also progresives) who dominate the media, it is hard to resist when they constantly play hip hop.

1. Which tracks in particular send this message?

2. So only Democrats and Republicans exist in your political perspective? Democrats are always liberal? Republicans are always conservative?

3. How does this force people to adhere to anything? Are people unable to change the channel or the radio station?

[Geilinor]

Blacks have always been on decline, and a music genre doesn't change it.

Wat. I don't have words for how inaccurate that is.

[Mavorpen]

Even though I do partially agree with the OP, I think my generation of my race should really, really, REALLY try embracing intellectualism instead of worrying about what Beyonce is doing, or instead of listening to your boy "young geezy."

Sadly, I cannot hold an intellectual conversation with any person around my age range that is my race. I can hold plenty with my elders(who I respect so much, they went through the civil rights era and jim crow and rised out of that shit, there's no reason my generation should be embracing this thug-like mentality under lesser circumstances) and people in a bit of a more mature mind.

It starts with the individual, period.

No... no, it really doesn't. The media and culture plays a very big role in shaping how individuals think and act. Telling people "get your shit together" does utterly nothing to help the situation.

[Roski]

Even though I do partially agree with the OP, I think my generation of my race should really, really, REALLY try embracing intellectualism instead of worrying about what Beyonce is doing, or instead of listening to your boy "young geezy."

Sadly, I cannot hold an intellectual conversation with any person around my age range that is my race. I can hold plenty with my elders(who I respect so much, they went through the civil rights era and jim crow and rised out of that shit, there's no reason my generation should be embracing this thug-like mentality under lesser circumstances) and people in a bit of a more mature mind.

It starts with the individual, period.

No... no, it really doesn't. The media and culture plays a very big role in shaping how individuals think and act. Telling people "get your shit together" does utterly nothing to help the situation.

Unless all of the Media does it.