Who was the USA's last good president?

[Cameroi]

doesn't "source" just mean quoting someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about either?

at any rate, i humbly submit that no national sovereignty has ever had a "good" leader.
it's just not in the game.

[Inertina]

It is not for us to bring out sources on generally accepted history. If you're going to challenge it, you need to back up your claims or we have no reason to take you seriously. That's the duty of the challenger. If you can't back up your own claims with unbiased sources, we have no reason to take you seriously.

Whata foolish post this is. It shows that you knowlittle about Serbia-Kosovo. I am speaking about accpeted history [unless your Albanian]. Serbs were in Kosovo since the 7th centerury, Kosovo was Serbia before Ottoman Empire and only became part of it after it was invaded by them, than Serbia took it back. You didn.t even list your outlooks on history or say which part of mine you want sources for. Serb population in Kosovo?

I am not here to fucking teach you an entire history of the entire region, this should been done inyour schools.

So let me get this straight: you come on here, insult everyone who disagrees with you, cite wildly disparate history from what is generally accepted to have been the case by most of us in the US (and judging from the lack of anyone on here even giving an inkling of support for you and the number of doubters, you are going against the accepted grain of history), refuse to back your sources, and then get petulant when we ask for them?

You're acting as a troll. Stop insulting everyone's education and start citing your sources if you want to be taken seriously.

[United Russian State]

Again you failed, to tell me what part of history goes against yours. You askfor a source but you do not state for what. I will go with population, since I assume thats what you want. Other struff basic till youget to 80s and 90s. You want more thantry to state what you want. Just be safe, I will use wiki, otherwise you might scream basied Serb history/facts. Wiki isd "good enough"

Notice how after the world wars how Serb population drops largely. Did they all magcily dissapper?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo

[Flameswroth]

So let me get this straight: you come on here, insult everyone who disagrees with you, cite wildly disparate history from what is generally accepted to have been the case by most of us in the US

While I agree that he is rather brusque in his argument, I'm not sure you can say his history is 'wildly disparate' without citing a source yourself, can you? I mean, I understand that introducing a contrasting view to commonly held sentiments requires some substantiation through sources, but in the NSG environment, can you even say there is a 'generally accepted' view on the events there?

I don't think it's fair, in an information neutral environment, to assume any given viewpoint as 'commonly held', even if some region in the outside world feels as much. I think if either side is going to make an assertion in a forum like Nationstates, whether that be "so and so did this" or "no they didn't" they should either back it up with sources or acknowledge that it is rooted in personal conception that was engendered outside the realm of discussion.

[The Black Forrest]

supported ethnic cleasing of Serbs, supported terrorist groups like the KLA,

Eh?

You have evidence for those two claims?

[Inertina]

I don't think it's fair, in an information neutral environment, to assume any given viewpoint as 'commonly held', even if some region in the outside world feels as much. I think if either side is going to make an assertion in a forum like Nationstates, whether that be "so and so did this" or "no they didn't" they should either back it up with sources or acknowledge that it is rooted in personal conception that was engendered outside the realm of discussion.

You're correct, I was in the wrong there. I don't think I'm wrong in challenging his view of history, but I was going about it the wrong way.

[Former Principalities]

King George III. Don't know why they didn't stick with him.

[United Russian State]

supported ethnic cleasing of Serbs, supported terrorist groups like the KLA,

Eh?

You have evidence for those two claims?

I always found hsitory books to be helpful for gettinin formation, but here we go. I trustyou are aware fo the ethnic conflict goingon in the region for quite some tiem [picks up during world war two] and what the KLA is? It used to be listed as a terrosit organzation by the USA until 1998, who removed it, Bill Clinton, shortly before the attack on Serbia. This group played a key role in massive killings of Serbs in Kosovo before this issue. NATO entered an ethnic conflict [mostly Albanians against Serbs inside Kosovo, which was largely almost over] on an one sided attack against Serbia [see NATO bombings]. They sided with Albanians who for hundreds of yearsd moved into Kosovo [Serbian name, Kosovo is also heart of Serbia] who were forceing Serbs out. Over 150 chruchs were burnt as well.

[United Russian State]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

[Conserative Morality]

I always found hsitory books to be helpful for gettinin formation, but here we go. I trustyou are aware fo the ethnic conflict goingon in the region for quite some tiem [picks up during world war two] and what the KLA is? It used to be listed as a terrosit organzation by the USA until 1998, who removed it, Bill Clinton, shortly before the attack on Serbia. This group played a key role in massive killings of Serbs in Kosovo before this issue. NATO entered an ethnic conflict [mostly Albanians against Serbs inside Kosovo, which was largely almost over] on an one sided attack against Serbia [see NATO bombings]. They sided with Albanians who for hundreds of yearsd moved into Kosovo [Serbian name, Kosovo is also heart of Serbia] who were forceing Serbs out. Over 150 chruchs were burnt as well.

I don't believe you understand the definition of 'source'.

[United Russian State]

Look above.

[Saaturia]

:twisted:

I thought this board had a left-wing bias but Reagan is probably winning. Would like to see a poll where him and FDR go head to head.

There is usually an influx of little kids and people with little understanding of politics during holidays breaks.

Typical left-wing elitist, just belittle everyone who does not agree with you.

QFT! :|

LMAO! ROFLCOPTER! OMG!

Anymore acronyms you'd like to use to show your distaste of the "left-wing elite"?

Conservatives FTW

ROFLMAO!
...
You get it?! Mao!

Wow, that was not even remotely funny.

Like your...
FACE?! OH SNAP!!!

[The Black Forrest]

supported ethnic cleasing of Serbs, supported terrorist groups like the KLA,

Eh?

You have evidence for those two claims?

I always found hsitory books to be helpful for gettinin formation, but here we go. I trustyou are aware fo the ethnic conflict goingon in the region for quite some tiem [picks up during world war two] and what the KLA is? It used to be listed as a terrosit organzation by the USA until 1998, who removed it, Bill Clinton, shortly before the attack on Serbia. This group played a key role in massive killings of Serbs in Kosovo before this issue. NATO entered an ethnic conflict [mostly Albanians against Serbs inside Kosovo, which was largely almost over] on an one sided attack against Serbia [see NATO bombings]. They sided with Albanians who for hundreds of yearsd moved into Kosovo [Serbian name, Kosovo is also heart of Serbia] who were forceing Serbs out. Over 150 chruchs were burnt as well.

History books are read when you have an interest in that country and what not.

Can you discuss the history of the state of Arizona?

Maybe I am missing the link here. How does Clinton removing them from a terror list endorse the massacres and mass rape that went on? The way I read your statement is suggesting that Clinton funded them and told them to go get 'em!

The terror list (IIRC) is mainly for groups that export their activities. Does the KLA operate in other countries?

[United Russian State]

Maybe I am missing the link here. How does Clinton removing them from a terror list endorse the massacres and mass rape that went on? The way I read your statement is suggesting that Clinton funded them and told them to go get 'em!

During the war NATO supported the KLA inside Kosovo. Bill here, couldn't get away with supporting a terrorist group [I doubt most Americans would] so what does he do? Takes it off the damn list, so we could get away with supporting them.

The terror list (IIRC) is mainly for groups that export their activities. Does the KLA operate in other countries?

Inside the region, yes. Not sure aboutoutside. Hell, drug traffic with other terrorists should be enough reason to keep it on. Watch nations like Greece very carefuly, history is starting to repeat again.

[United Russian State]

Mistake-deleted

[United Russian State]

Oh look! I found a video of one of the ~150 churches that were burnt down, largely went on when NATO supported Albanains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5SkGpIKDs

Shorter viedo- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SFomVQ5oA8

[Narflezarpville]

Martin van Buren was our last good president. A classical liberal who now has his own street gang, according to Cosmo Kramer.

[Tergnitz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C5%A1va_Valley_ethnic_cleansing

Evidence that there was ethnic cleansing on all sides of the Bosnian War, yet a vast majority of US / NATO airstrikes and combat missions were flown against Serbian para-military forces within Bosnia.

[Muskeegan]

General Andrew Jackson

[United Russian State]

Found something I didn't even know off, apperently some Albanians tried to attack America! How Ironic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq_DrUuHyhE

[Milks Empire]

Martin van Buren was our last good president.

You mean the guy that helped Genocidal Jackson engineer the Trail of Tears? He's on my shit list.

General Andrew Jackson

Genocidal Jackson? Worst. President. Ever.

Found something I didn't even know off, apperently some Albanians tried to attack America! How Ironic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq_DrUuHyhE

That has little to do with their ethnic background and much to do with their religious fanaticism. Get a fucking clue.

[Dododecapod]

Genocidal Jackson? Worst. President. Ever.

Oh, hardly. He may have made decisions you disagreed with (come to that, that I disagree with) but can you honestly say he was as bad a President as Grant, Harding or (goodness preserve us) Buchanen?

[Grave_n_idle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

An organisation that formed to resist the genocides being perpetrated by nationalist Serbs?

That MIGHT (according to Serbs) have killed as many as a thousand people?

While Slobodan Milošević can be held accountable for a quarter million.

Your history isn't just revisionist, it's ridiculously partisan.

[Maurepas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

An organisation that formed to resist the genocides being perpetrated by nationalist Serbs?

That MIGHT (according to Serbs) have killed as many as a thousand people?

While Slobodan Milošević can be held accountable for a quarter million.

Your history isn't just revisionist, it's ridiculously partisan.

Im not sure how many pages ago it was...but, I think its alot, lol, I said that already,

[Grave_n_idle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

An organisation that formed to resist the genocides being perpetrated by nationalist Serbs?

That MIGHT (according to Serbs) have killed as many as a thousand people?

While Slobodan Milošević can be held accountable for a quarter million.

Your history isn't just revisionist, it's ridiculously partisan.

Im not sure how many pages ago it was...but, I think its alot, lol, I said that already,

Once again, I turn up two hours late, and twenty dollars short.