GUN TALK (Favorite guns discussion thread)

[Korva]

That's why you get a 9mm

I remember when my dad sold his MP5k, was a sad day. He still has the briefcase though, always gets looks at gunshows but never buyers.

btw also from Florida

Normally I'd counter with get a .22lr, but these days, anything in 7.62x39. Thanks to Mr. Putin, it is still dirt cheap.

BTW, aint Florida great? We have freedom, sunshine, and beautiful weather all year round.

I have two more years left in my seven year sentence to live and study in Tallahassee. Will be happy when I can return to the civilized parts of the state.

Though the outdoor ranges are nice, as are all the dead mosquitoes in winter.

[Spreewerke]

On topic, AK-103k, god I love them. I've heavily modified mine, and it's currently getting the barrel threaded to mount an AR10 Surefire muzzle brake. That way I can choose between throwing flames and the pew pew. I also don't care what people say about Tapco, as I have one of their G2 triggers in my rig and it's better than the triggers in most of the AR's I have shot.

You bought a Krebs?

Also, for what it's worth, Tapco-designed products generally suck. Their G2 trigger was a design they bought off of Gordon Industries (thus the "G" in G2). Their good muzzle devices are simply clones of military devices, and it's pretty hard to make a piston head incorrectly.

[Independent Republic of Not My Problem]

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You bought a Krebs?

Also, for what it's worth, Tapco-designed products generally suck. Their G2 trigger was a design they bought off of Gordon Industries (thus the "G" in G2). Their good muzzle devices are simply clones of military devices, and it's pretty hard to make a piston head incorrectly.

Yep, bought it many years ago, back when it was ~$900. Krebs is a great guy to do business with. It started life as the base model with the fixed stock and 74 style break. Now I have a Bonesteel side folder, a Krebs dog leg rail, MWI railed fore ends, and soon it will have a new break.

Tapco does suck, that's why the only I have from them is the trigger. It is still the best trigger for the AK, at least as far as I have shot. There could be better ones, but I'm not in the market for a new trigger so I haven't looked.

I have two more years left in my seven year sentence to live and study in Tallahassee. Will be happy when I can return to the civilized parts of the state.

Though the outdoor ranges are nice, as are all the dead mosquitoes in winter.

Law School?

EDIT: Are you at FSU?

[Korva]

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You bought a Krebs?

Also, for what it's worth, Tapco-designed products generally suck. Their G2 trigger was a design they bought off of Gordon Industries (thus the "G" in G2). Their good muzzle devices are simply clones of military devices, and it's pretty hard to make a piston head incorrectly.

Yep, bought it many years ago, back when it was ~$900. Krebs is a great guy to do business with. It started life as the base model with the fixed stock and 74 style break. Now I have a Bonesteel side folder, a Krebs dog leg rail, MWI railed fore ends, and soon it will have a new break.

Tapco does suck, that's why the only I have from them is the trigger. It is still the best trigger for the AK, at least as far as I have shot. There could be better ones, but I'm not in the market for a new trigger so I haven't looked.

I have two more years left in my seven year sentence to live and study in Tallahassee. Will be happy when I can return to the civilized parts of the state.

Though the outdoor ranges are nice, as are all the dead mosquitoes in winter.

Law School?

EDIT: Are you at FSU?

yep fsu law

To keep this on-topic, what should I leave in my trunk: sub-2000 or aero survival pistol?

Both take all my stupid long Glock mags, but one is way more tacticool.

[Independent Republic of Not My Problem]

Yep, bought it many years ago, back when it was ~$900. Krebs is a great guy to do business with. It started life as the base model with the fixed stock and 74 style break. Now I have a Bonesteel side folder, a Krebs dog leg rail, MWI railed fore ends, and soon it will have a new break.

Tapco does suck, that's why the only I have from them is the trigger. It is still the best trigger for the AK, at least as far as I have shot. There could be better ones, but I'm not in the market for a new trigger so I haven't looked.



Law School?

EDIT: Are you at FSU?

yep fsu law

To keep this on-topic, what should I leave in my trunk: sub-2000 or aero survival pistol?

Both take all my stupid long Glock mags, but one is way more tacticool.

Whichever one you can hide in your waste band when they legalize CC on campus this year.

[Spreewerke]

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You bought a Krebs?

Also, for what it's worth, Tapco-designed products generally suck. Their G2 trigger was a design they bought off of Gordon Industries (thus the "G" in G2). Their good muzzle devices are simply clones of military devices, and it's pretty hard to make a piston head incorrectly.

Yep, bought it many years ago, back when it was ~$900. Krebs is a great guy to do business with. It started life as the base model with the fixed stock and 74 style break. Now I have a Bonesteel side folder, a Krebs dog leg rail, MWI railed fore ends, and soon it will have a new break.

Tapco does suck, that's why the only I have from them is the trigger. It is still the best trigger for the AK, at least as far as I have shot. There could be better ones, but I'm not in the market for a new trigger so I haven't looked.?

Now, be honest with me: just how much does it differ from an SGL 21 in terms of fit, finish, and performance (ignoring the historically inaccurate barrel modification)? I have never personally seen anything on a Krebs rifle that has pushed me towards them over an SGL, at least not at their current prices. A $900.00 Krebs sounds like the days when they were just $100-$200 more than an SGL instead of $1,000.00 more.

Also, Geiselle introduced a new trigger at SHOT for the AK. It gets the same weight as the G2's advertised weight (4lbs.), but it has almost no over-travel from what I've seen, and take-up is minimal, as well. Looks like it'd be a very crisp trigger. Flat-faced, though, so it kind of ruins aesthetics.

yep fsu law

To keep this on-topic, what should I leave in my trunk: sub-2000 or aero survival pistol?

Both take all my stupid long Glock mags, but one is way more tacticool.

A friend of mine started his own AK business in Texas mid-2014, so I'm having him build an AKMS for me for this very purpose, actually. AKMS stong. AKMS of glorious. Best truck gun ever.

[Iron Fist Sovereignty]

A handgun is also much better for self defense.

The police are there to defend you. A civilian shouldn't have a weapon designed to kill or maim.

While I have the utmost respect for the police, they are typically minutes away when seconds count - I'm sure we've all heard that before, but it's true.

[Independent Republic of Not My Problem]

Now, be honest with me: just how much does it differ from an SGL 21 in terms of fit, finish, and performance (ignoring the historically inaccurate barrel modification)? I have never personally seen anything on a Krebs rifle that has pushed me towards them over an SGL, at least not at their current prices. A $900.00 Krebs sounds like the days when they were just $100-$200 more than an SGL instead of $1,000.00 more.

Also, Geiselle introduced a new trigger at SHOT for the AK. It gets the same weight as the G2's advertised weight (4lbs.), but it has almost no over-travel from what I've seen, and take-up is minimal, as well. Looks like it'd be a very crisp trigger. Flat-faced, though, so it kind of ruins aesthetics.

Fit and finish is pretty damn good, but Krebs' prices have skyrocketed. I was looking another AK103k in the same configuration that I purchased before, and just about had a heart attack when I saw how much they were. Don't get me wrong, Krebs makes top notch AKs, but it's still just an AK. If I'm spending over a grand on 7.62x39 I'm getting a Vz. 58. Accuracy wise, I could get my Krebs to shoot ~2-2.5" at 100m, so I am rather pleased with the performance. K-Vars and Arsenals should have comparable accuracy, but I couldn't tell you. I have a red dot on my Krebs, and those V notches give me a headache. Doesn't stop me from shooting my SKS, but I get 6" groups with that thing.
These days, I probably wouldn't buy a factory AK. I have access to a full machine shop, so making a good AK is more economical than buying a good one, or fixing a WASR.

[Yukonastan]

Post pretty pictures of stripped rifles, however fictional they may (not) be?



The only time that having overdetailed the thing and ending up with fifty some odd layers was a good idea.

[Spreewerke]

Now, be honest with me: just how much does it differ from an SGL 21 in terms of fit, finish, and performance (ignoring the historically inaccurate barrel modification)? I have never personally seen anything on a Krebs rifle that has pushed me towards them over an SGL, at least not at their current prices. A $900.00 Krebs sounds like the days when they were just $100-$200 more than an SGL instead of $1,000.00 more.

Also, Geiselle introduced a new trigger at SHOT for the AK. It gets the same weight as the G2's advertised weight (4lbs.), but it has almost no over-travel from what I've seen, and take-up is minimal, as well. Looks like it'd be a very crisp trigger. Flat-faced, though, so it kind of ruins aesthetics.

Fit and finish is pretty damn good, but Krebs' prices have skyrocketed. I was looking another AK103k in the same configuration that I purchased before, and just about had a heart attack when I saw how much they were. Don't get me wrong, Krebs makes top notch AKs, but it's still just an AK. If I'm spending over a grand on 7.62x39 I'm getting a Vz. 58. Accuracy wise, I could get my Krebs to shoot ~2-2.5" at 100m, so I am rather pleased with the performance. K-Vars and Arsenals should have comparable accuracy, but I couldn't tell you. I have a red dot on my Krebs, and those V notches give me a headache. Doesn't stop me from shooting my SKS, but I get 6" groups with that thing.
These days, I probably wouldn't buy a factory AK. I have access to a full machine shop, so making a good AK is more economical than buying a good one, or fixing a WASR.

I'm quite familiar with Arsenals (three SGLs, two Saigas), so I was curious as to how the Krebs held up to them. I always thought Krebs was basically over-charging for Saiga conversions, personally, but have no first-hand experience with one (and probably never will thanks to their outrageous prices now).


@Yuko and his desire for field-stripped guns.

This is my AK-103 clone taken down almost as far as it can go with just the cleaning kit that fits in the buttstocks. There are a couple items I didn't disassemble simply because I didn't want to put stress on those particular parts (extractor and rear sight being the primary parts, for obvious reasons).

Here it be: http://i.imgur.com/OjVjP5N.jpg

I left the extractor and its spring in the bolt, the rear sight and its spring in the sight block, left the front sight post and windage drum in the front sight (again, obvious reasons), and I didn't bother to take the spring off the buttplate's trap door cover.

[Big Jim P]

Now if they would only make the Sub2000 in .45ACP and 10mm.

[Robert Magoo]

I'm partial to older Remingtons.

[Big Jim P]

I'm partial to older Remingtons.

Remingtons are nice, but I tend to heavily favor Rugers.

[Spreewerke]

New part came in for the SGL 21-94. Now the only parts left to get are good, go-to polymer magazines and an IR laser after I eventually get NVG.

http://i.imgur.com/2Ujo2cM.jpg

[North Calaveras]

Almost sure I'll be getting a tt33 tokarev de my first gun

[The 93rd Coalition]

I'm obsessed with breech-loading firearms, for some reason. I'm not that much of a gun-person, but it's one of the reasons I'm drawn to World War I and other conflicts around that time period - shortly before they were replaces with handheld automatic weapons.

[Big Jim P]

I'm obsessed with breech-loading firearms, for some reason. I'm not that much of a gun-person, but it's one of the reasons I'm drawn to World War I and other conflicts around that time period - shortly before they were replaces with handheld automatic weapons.

Umm...the latter are also breech-loading.

Edit: I believe the term you are looking for is "bolt action".

[Antarticaria]

So i just wanted to ask anyone here have a preference on automatic suppressive weapons and mass casualty weapons? I mean statistically, and even hands on input from those who used SAWs or Large Casualty producing weapons if that would spark interest instead.

I myself for no real logical reasoning besides weight love the M249 and would like to try a similar concept for my nation on here. Mostly like it because i can at least semi efficiently use it standing, kneeling or in the prone.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So i just wanted to ask anyone here have a preference on automatic suppressive weapons and mass casualty weapons? I mean statistically, and even hands on input from those who used SAWs or Large Casualty producing weapons if that would spark interest instead.

I myself for no real logical reasoning besides weight love the M249 and would like to try a similar concept for my nation on here. Mostly like it because i can at least semi efficiently use it standing, kneeling or in the prone.

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I'm sorry, come again?

[Spreewerke]

So i just wanted to ask anyone here have a preference on automatic suppressive weapons and mass casualty weapons? I mean statistically, and even hands on input from those who used SAWs or Large Casualty producing weapons if that would spark interest instead.

I myself for no real logical reasoning besides weight love the M249 and would like to try a similar concept for my nation on here. Mostly like it because i can at least semi efficiently use it standing, kneeling or in the prone.

PKM

[Cyrisnia]

So i just wanted to ask anyone here have a preference on automatic suppressive weapons and mass casualty weapons? I mean statistically, and even hands on input from those who used SAWs or Large Casualty producing weapons if that would spark interest instead.

I myself for no real logical reasoning besides weight love the M249 and would like to try a similar concept for my nation on here. Mostly like it because i can at least semi efficiently use it standing, kneeling or in the prone.

that sounds somewhat illegal

[British Grand Pacific]

I picked up a little Ruger AR556 this week and have had a blast with it so far.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So i just wanted to ask anyone here have a preference on automatic suppressive weapons and mass casualty weapons? I mean statistically, and even hands on input from those who used SAWs or Large Casualty producing weapons if that would spark interest instead.

I myself for no real logical reasoning besides weight love the M249 and would like to try a similar concept for my nation on here. Mostly like it because i can at least semi efficiently use it standing, kneeling or in the prone.

that sounds somewhat illegal

It sounds like he's asking for role-playing reasons (since he mentions his NS nation).

[Gun Manufacturers]

I picked up a little Ruger AR556 this week and have had a blast with it so far.

Pics, please?

[British Grand Pacific]

I picked up a little Ruger AR556 this week and have had a blast with it so far.

Pics, please?