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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:29 am

SilencerCo Maxim 50 : First-Ever 50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader
For the first time since the National Firearms Act (NFA) was created in 1934, civilians can enjoy suppressed shooting in all 50 states with SilencerCo's latest innovation: the integrally suppressed Maxim 50 muzzleloader. In addition, this product can be purchased right now on the web with no regulation (no 4473, no $200 tax stamp, no photographs, and no fingerprints) and be shipped immediately to the customer with few exceptions.


Kinda spendy at $999, although noteworthy of the idea behind it.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:59 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
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Ishapore FTW. SMLE+useful chambering+cheap.

This. A decent Ishapore 2A1 will run you about $350-$400 and it eats 7.62 NATO - which is way cheaper and easier to find than .303 British.


The ammo or the rifle is easier/cheaper to find?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:This. A decent Ishapore 2A1 will run you about $350-$400 and it eats 7.62 NATO - which is way cheaper and easier to find than .303 British.


The ammo or the rifle is easier/cheaper to find?


Ammo is easier and cheaper. Rifle is cheaper, although probably about equal difficulty to find, compared to a proper Enfield.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:05 am

Telconi wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
The ammo or the rifle is easier/cheaper to find?


Ammo is easier and cheaper. Rifle is cheaper, although probably about equal difficulty to find, compared to a proper Enfield.

Yeah, pretty much. It's possible to find an Ishapore 2A1, in fact there's a couple on gunbroker right now (though a few have been bubba'd). The ammo however is far cheaper and more plentiful.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:06 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:SilencerCo Maxim 50 : First-Ever 50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader
For the first time since the National Firearms Act (NFA) was created in 1934, civilians can enjoy suppressed shooting in all 50 states with SilencerCo's latest innovation: the integrally suppressed Maxim 50 muzzleloader. In addition, this product can be purchased right now on the web with no regulation (no 4473, no $200 tax stamp, no photographs, and no fingerprints) and be shipped immediately to the customer with few exceptions.


Kinda spendy at $999, although noteworthy of the idea behind it.

Definitely not going to be 50 state legal.
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 am

Sovaal wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:SilencerCo Maxim 50 : First-Ever 50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader


Kinda spendy at $999, although noteworthy of the idea behind it.

Definitely not going to be 50 state legal.

It is until Feinstein has a hernia and pushes through legislation specifically banning it.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:22 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Definitely not going to be 50 state legal.

It is until Feinstein has a hernia and pushes through legislation specifically banning it.

Ya, in fact I think they've already suspended sales in California.
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Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/4TWO1


That's actually pretty badass.
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Postby Shanowinn » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:54 pm

Anyone know anything about Steyr/Mannlicher 95s? Experience? I did a little research on them today and apparently they're supposed to be pretty cheap, as everyone's attention when it comes to old bolt guns is on the Mausers, Mosin Nagants, etc. But I wasn't so clear on ammo.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:26 pm

Shanowinn wrote:Anyone know anything about Steyr/Mannlicher 95s? Experience? I did a little research on them today and apparently they're supposed to be pretty cheap, as everyone's attention when it comes to old bolt guns is on the Mausers, Mosin Nagants, etc. But I wasn't so clear on ammo.


American? Is the rifle 8X56r chambered?

AFAIK (Don't own one) They are a nifty rifle, action is interesting, finding functional en-blocs is hard, ammo is a bit rare and expensive.
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Postby Shanowinn » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shanowinn wrote:Anyone know anything about Steyr/Mannlicher 95s? Experience? I did a little research on them today and apparently they're supposed to be pretty cheap, as everyone's attention when it comes to old bolt guns is on the Mausers, Mosin Nagants, etc. But I wasn't so clear on ammo.


American? Is the rifle 8X56r chambered?

AFAIK (Don't own one) They are a nifty rifle, action is interesting, finding functional en-blocs is hard, ammo is a bit rare and expensive.


The last bit about ammo availability worries me most...I'd love to own some of these older bolt rifles but it seems like the way to go is reloading ammo (unless perhaps they're rechambered I guess) and reloading ammo isn't in my future really.
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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:52 pm

Is .380 ACP harder to find than 9mm? I know it's cheaper, but I'm not so sure about rarity.
If Walther could just release a 9mm PPK I can be happy.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:32 am

Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Is .380 ACP harder to find than 9mm? I know it's cheaper, but I'm not so sure about rarity.
If Walther could just release a 9mm PPK I can be happy.

Honestly 9x19 is going to be far more common.
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Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/4TWO1


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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:38 am

Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Is .380 ACP harder to find than 9mm? I know it's cheaper, but I'm not so sure about rarity.
If Walther could just release a 9mm PPK I can be happy.


.380 is harder to find, and more expensive than 9mm. Walther will never make a 9mm PPK because they must follow the laws of physics.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:39 am

Shanowinn wrote:
Telconi wrote:
American? Is the rifle 8X56r chambered?

AFAIK (Don't own one) They are a nifty rifle, action is interesting, finding functional en-blocs is hard, ammo is a bit rare and expensive.


The last bit about ammo availability worries me most...I'd love to own some of these older bolt rifles but it seems like the way to go is reloading ammo (unless perhaps they're rechambered I guess) and reloading ammo isn't in my future really.


Or just rarely shoot them. I have some weird old rifles and I just shoot them rarely because they're collectors pieces, ammo is rare and pricey, and they serve no 'functional' purpose.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:06 am

Telconi wrote:
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Is .380 ACP harder to find than 9mm? I know it's cheaper, but I'm not so sure about rarity.
If Walther could just release a 9mm PPK I can be happy.


.380 is harder to find, and more expensive than 9mm. Walther will never make a 9mm PPK because they must follow the laws of physics.


I usually find good deals online for ammo that are cheaper than buying locally. Locally there is a good range of available ammo.
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/
https://www.freedommunitions.com/

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My brain hurts.

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Maybe I want my meal right there, right now, huh?

And Obama, really? Hurgh! My brain hurts!
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:11 pm

Sovaal wrote:

My brain hurts.

” Some of these bullets, as you saw, have an incendiary device on the tip of it, which is a heat seeking device. So, you don’t shoot deer with a bullet that size. If you do you could cook it at the same time.” – Patricia Eddington
Maybe I want my meal right there, right now, huh?

And Obama, really? Hurgh! My brain hurts!

:rofl:
And yet, these are the dipshits that craft legislation that restrict or make it expensive to acquire items.
Meanwhile there are things like this: The 8 Most Ridiculous AR-15 Accessories

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Postby Valgora » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:21 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Sovaal wrote:My brain hurts.

” Some of these bullets, as you saw, have an incendiary device on the tip of it, which is a heat seeking device. So, you don’t shoot deer with a bullet that size. If you do you could cook it at the same time.” – Patricia Eddington
Maybe I want my meal right there, right now, huh?

And Obama, really? Hurgh! My brain hurts!

:rofl:
And yet, these are the dipshits that craft legislation that restrict or make it expensive to acquire items.
Meanwhile there are things like this: The 8 Most Ridiculous AR-15 Accessories


The battleaxe one was pretty damn cool.
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Valgora wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote: :rofl:
And yet, these are the dipshits that craft legislation that restrict or make it expensive to acquire items.
Meanwhile there are things like this: The 8 Most Ridiculous AR-15 Accessories


The battleaxe one was pretty damn cool.

Have that ombined with the knife and tomahawk stock and go all oper-viking at the range and then bleed to death.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:38 pm

Sovaal wrote:
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The battleaxe one was pretty damn cool.

Have that combined with the knife and tomahawk stock and go all oper-viking at the range and then bleed to death.


So.... would that be called a mall-viking instead of mall-ninja that is operating operationally?

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:40 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Have that combined with the knife and tomahawk stock and go all oper-viking at the range and then bleed to death.


So.... would that be called a mall-viking instead of mall-ninja that is operating operationally?

They must also be blonde and wear goatees and braided ponytails.

They also often become Neo-Nazis when they shave.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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