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Postby Sovaal » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:07 am

Imperial City-States wrote:
Sovaal wrote:One of those variable power, 1-4x/1-6x power scopes. Plenty of companies make 'em, so you shouldn't really have a problem finding one.


Well, Issue i have with a lot of those, Is they aren't really conducive to aiming with both eyes open which is fairly essential.

Well then you're pretty limited when it comes to non-battery options. I think some Mepro-light red dots don't require batteries.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:15 am

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Well, Issue i have with a lot of those, Is they aren't really conducive to aiming with both eyes open which is fairly essential.

Well then you're pretty limited when it comes to non-battery options. I think some Mepro-light red dots don't require batteries.


I've been looking at those, they're about $500 but unfortunately only one's I've seen have green lenses which i personally don't prefer, And have issues being used from indoors to outdoors where the light washes out the reticule.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:17 am

Imperial City-States wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Well then you're pretty limited when it comes to non-battery options. I think some Mepro-light red dots don't require batteries.


I've been looking at those, they're about $500 but unfortunately only one's I've seen have green lenses which i personally don't prefer, And have issues being used from indoors to outdoors where the light washes out the reticule.

Well when it comes to battery-less optics you're pretty much screwed. However, you can get some long lasting battery powered optics that are decent and cheap from Primary Arms and Vortex.
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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Imperial City-States » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:17 am

Sovaal wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:
I've been looking at those, they're about $500 but unfortunately only one's I've seen have green lenses which i personally don't prefer, And have issues being used from indoors to outdoors where the light washes out the reticule.

Well when it comes to battery-less optics you're pretty much screwed. However, you can get some long lasting battery powered optics that are decent and cheap from Primary Arms and Vortex.


Well I have a holographic at the moment that I picked up from Primary IIRC. Just been looking to upgrade for Work.
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:18 am

Imperial City-States wrote:Need y'all's recommendations for a Non Battery powered optic that'd be suitable for Tactical use on my AR-15.

To poor to avoid an ACOG as much as I'd like one. What do you gentlemen got.


AimPoint Micro H1, or if size isn't a big concern, an AimPoint PRO (or used one).

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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:14 am

Spreewerke wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Need y'all's recommendations for a Non Battery powered optic that'd be suitable for Tactical use on my AR-15.

To poor to avoid an ACOG as much as I'd like one. What do you gentlemen got.


AimPoint Micro H1, or if size isn't a big concern, an AimPoint PRO (or used one).


I have experience using the Aim Point M68's on my M4, But the biggest thing I'm trying to avoid is battery powered optics. From a quick google, those both are battery powered :/
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:38 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
AimPoint Micro H1, or if size isn't a big concern, an AimPoint PRO (or used one).


I have experience using the Aim Point M68's on my M4, But the biggest thing I'm trying to avoid is battery powered optics. From a quick google, those both are battery powered :/


Get over it is all I can tell you. The PRO lasts three years on a single battery, the Micro lasts five. If you can't find a time to swap batteries at any point during 3-5 years, you have more things to worry about than your optic's power source.

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Postby Free-Don » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:38 am

Speaking about red dots and sights here's a cheap and shit one for lunch money. I've been using it for about 2 years on airguns mainly. I've dropped or tossed it over fences, through windows, on grass, on gravel, through mud, and various other stuff. In those two years I've changed the battery once and that was after I was left in the rain for a couple hours. Still don't know how it takes recoil from a rifle but I'll find out.

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Postby Imperial City-States » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:45 am

Spreewerke wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:
I have experience using the Aim Point M68's on my M4, But the biggest thing I'm trying to avoid is battery powered optics. From a quick google, those both are battery powered :/


Get over it is all I can tell you. The PRO lasts three years on a single battery, the Micro lasts five. If you can't find a time to swap batteries at any point during 3-5 years, you have more things to worry about than your optic's power source.


It's not about changing batteries issue, It's a 'assuming that battery fails' issue. The M68 is exclusively battery powered, not something that' has battery powered illumination but still has the reticulated. I ave BUIS on my rifle, however that's beside the point, If i'm going to invest in a 600 dollar optic it needs to fit a critera
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"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
"Stand in the ashes of a million dead souls and ask the ghost if honor matters."
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
George Orwell
"No advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimeter nearer."
George Orwell

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Postby Spreewerke » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:53 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
Get over it is all I can tell you. The PRO lasts three years on a single battery, the Micro lasts five. If you can't find a time to swap batteries at any point during 3-5 years, you have more things to worry about than your optic's power source.


It's not about changing batteries issue, It's a 'assuming that battery fails' issue. The M68 is exclusively battery powered, not something that' has battery powered illumination but still has the reticulated. I ave BUIS on my rifle, however that's beside the point, If i'm going to invest in a 600 dollar optic it needs to fit a critera



I have yet to have a battery fail outside of just running out of juice and that's with the experience of three AimPoints, two EOTechs, two Vortex PST-series optics, two Primary Arms Micro Dots, and one turd Sig red dot since ~2010 or so.

Unless you're buying the worst batteries you can find or are pouring water directly into the battery compartment before sealing it back up, you're not going to have any issues with an AimPoint or EOTech. You are worrying about things that you don't need to worry about.

Your self-illuminating optics are going to be non-adjustable on brightness, so when aiming from indoors to outdoors or vice versa, you're gonna have a bad time. Ditto in dark areas after your tritium has expired and is no longer emitting light. Gotta send the whole optic back for vial replacement after that.
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Postby Parcia » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:49 pm

Just took apart a .22 WinMag, it was already damaged and while would feed right through my Ruger American, the brass it self was damaged and I didn't trust it. Interesting.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:28 pm

Suppressor came in.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Spreewerke wrote:Suppressor came in.


How many rounds can you put through it before it stops working well?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:00 am

Spreewerke wrote:Suppressor came in.

Speaking of suppressors, the SHARE Act H.R. 3668 that was attached to a larger Natural Resources Committee bill has passed committee.

“The SHARE Act removes bureaucratic roadblocks that inhibit Americans’ access to outdoor sporting activities on federal lands and reigns in federal encroachment on Second Amendment rights. Members also adopted important amendments that improve upon this package, including provisions to address cumbersome permitting processes for guides and outfitters, which will result in more jobs and more Americans recreating outdoors. I look forward to advancing this package through the House and working with our Senate colleagues on a final bill that can be signed into law.”

House Committee on Natural Resources

The bill includes a number of gun reforms that gun-rights and hunting activists have been pursuing for years. Silencer deregulation, further protections for interstate transport of firearms, further protections on the importation of firearms and ammunition, further protections on certain firearms and ammunition from reclassification in order to make them illegal, and increased access to federal public lands for hunting and fishing are all included in the bill.

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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:11 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Suppressor came in.


How many rounds can you put through it before it stops working well?


Many thousands.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:27 am

Imperial City-States wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
Get over it is all I can tell you. The PRO lasts three years on a single battery, the Micro lasts five. If you can't find a time to swap batteries at any point during 3-5 years, you have more things to worry about than your optic's power source.


It's not about changing batteries issue, It's a 'assuming that battery fails' issue. The M68 is exclusively battery powered, not something that' has battery powered illumination but still has the reticulated. I ave BUIS on my rifle, however that's beside the point, If i'm going to invest in a 600 dollar optic it needs to fit a critera


I think your criteria are inpractical. If you have BUIS, then I see no reason to fixate in a non-powered optic.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:24 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/4vdAf

Kinda ignores the fact that a wand would be easier for a wizard to acquisition in the UK.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:38 pm

You guys seem like you'd be a good place to go for this.
Take a look at the AGAINST in my sig. Then click GUN in GUN CONTROL. That slide talks about assault weapons but some of the links to articles it had are outdated now! :(
Does somebody pro gun have a good replacement?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:03 pm

Vovodoco wrote:You guys seem like you'd be a good place to go for this.
Take a look at the AGAINST in my sig. Then click GUN in GUN CONTROL. That slide talks about assault weapons but some of the links to articles it had are outdated now! :(
Does somebody pro gun have a good replacement?




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I've always wanted to get a Lee Enfield rifle. Not sure why.

Maybe because my ancestors were in ANZAC.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Vovodoco wrote:You guys seem like you'd be a good place to go for this.
Take a look at the AGAINST in my sig. Then click GUN in GUN CONTROL. That slide talks about assault weapons but some of the links to articles it had are outdated now! :(
Does somebody pro gun have a good replacement?




http://www.gunfacts.info/
Gun Facts™ debunks common myths about gun control. It is intended as a reference guide for journalists, politicians and anyone interested in learning about gun control facts and restoring honesty to the debate about guns, crime, and the Second Amendment.

From what I can tell this is a great site. Thank you! :)
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:10 pm

Salus Maior wrote:I've always wanted to get a Lee Enfield rifle. Not sure why.

Maybe because my ancestors were in ANZAC.


Ishapore FTW. SMLE+useful chambering+cheap.
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Postby Len Hyet » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:12 am

Telconi wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:I've always wanted to get a Lee Enfield rifle. Not sure why.

Maybe because my ancestors were in ANZAC.


Ishapore FTW. SMLE+useful chambering+cheap.

This. A decent Ishapore 2A1 will run you about $350-$400 and it eats 7.62 NATO - which is way cheaper and easier to find than .303 British.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:28 pm

Well this looks interesting.
Advanced Firearm Accessories Launches AFLoader Indiegogo Campaign
An automated pistol “speed loader,'” that will auto load, 9mm, .40 and .45 magazines.
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