GUN TALK (Favorite guns discussion thread)

[Kash Island]

I'm thinking of getting a Marlin 30-30 Lever action and a Remington 870 Hardwood Home Defense for my defense arms, as well as hunting(30-30)

I'll tell you what I tell my friends when they say something like this.

Friends: imma thinking about getting these two or more firearms.
ME: Yep, I suggest you buy them, then.
Friends: Great I'll be right back, going to Academy sports.
ME: See you at the range in 30mins.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'll tell you what I tell my friends when they say something like this.

Friends: imma thinking about getting these two or more firearms.
ME: Yep, I suggest you buy them, then.
Friends: Great I'll be right back, going to Academy sports.
ME: See you at the range in 30mins.

I myself don't really mention that I'm thinking about X firearms, I just buy them, then show up with new firearms at the range only to hear them say, "we didn't know you were thinking of buying X?" Me: I know, I wasn't thinking of buying X, It was sitting there in the rack daring me to buy it, so I did. HAHA

[Telconi]

I'm thinking of getting a Marlin 30-30 Lever action and a Remington 870 Hardwood Home Defense for my defense arms, as well as hunting(30-30)

Defending yourself with a .30-30. How Nineteenth Century of you.

[Cylonarus]

I wonder how bad the recoil will be if I fire a gun chambered in this...

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'm thinking of getting a Marlin 30-30 Lever action and a Remington 870 Hardwood Home Defense for my defense arms, as well as hunting(30-30)

Defending yourself with a .30-30. How Nineteenth Century of you.

I'd seriously consider it as a home gun, though I'd still choose a proper shotgun over it.

[Sovaal]

Defending yourself with a .30-30. How Nineteenth Century of you.

I'd seriously consider it as a home gun, though I'd still choose a proper shotgun over it.

I imagine if you would go down the levee action route for home defense a pistol caliber one would be better.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'd seriously consider it as a home gun, though I'd still choose a proper shotgun over it.

I imagine if you would go down the levee action route for home defense a pistol caliber one would be better.

Would you argue that 7.62x39 is a horrible round for self defense?

[Cylonarus]

I imagine if you would go down the levee action route for home defense a pistol caliber one would be better.

Would you argue that 7.62x39 is a horrible round for self defense?

7.62 goes straight through, 5.56 tumbles and causes more damage.

[Sovaal]

I imagine if you would go down the levee action route for home defense a pistol caliber one would be better.

Would you argue that 7.62x39 is a horrible round for self defense?

I would argue that having a .30-30 for a home defense gun would sacrifice length for capacity.

If you want a 7.62 for home defense get an AK.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Would you argue that 7.62x39 is a horrible round for self defense?

7.62 goes straight through, 5.56 tumbles and causes more damage.

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.

Would you argue that 7.62x39 is a horrible round for self defense?

I would argue that having a .30-30 for a home defense gun would sacrifice length for capacity.

If you want a 7.62 for home defense get an AK.

Ballistically speaking, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are almost identical to each other, and would be perfectly viable in a self defense situation inside ones home.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense. However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

Much like Pitbulls today and Shepards in the 90's.

[Sovaal]

7.62 goes straight through, 5.56 tumbles and causes more damage.

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.

I would argue that having a .30-30 for a home defense gun would sacrifice length for capacity.

If you want a 7.62 for home defense get an AK.

Ballistically speaking, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are almost identical to each other, and would be perfectly viable in a self defense situation inside ones home.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense. However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

Much like Pitbulls today and Shepards in the 90's.

Perhaps a Mini-30 would be better then. However, I'm of the opinion that .30-30 is just to much "space", it's a full size rifle cartridge after all, for it's power.

[Telconi]

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.



Ballistically speaking, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are almost identical to each other, and would be perfectly viable in a self defense situation inside ones home.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense. However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

Much like Pitbulls today and Shepards in the 90's.

Perhaps a Mini-30 would be better then. However, I'm of the opinion that .30-30 is just to much "space", it's a full size rifle cartridge after all, for it's power.

Going back to the lever route, .38 Special from a 16"+ barrel is plenty powerful enough in the house.

[Husseinarti]

7.62 goes straight through, 5.56 tumbles and causes more damage.

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.

5.56x45mm develops a larger permanent wound cavity (With a similar temporary cavity creation) than both 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm. 5.56x45mm ammo, at least NATO standard issue ammo like M855, M855A1, and Mk262 (Which Mk262 is probably like the worst thing you want to get hit by) works on fragmentation.

The wounding profile of a 7.62x39mm is actually inferior to its 'distantly related nephew' the 5.56x45mm. Its also inferior to its child, the 5.45x39mm. The 7.62x39mm does have a bit better is brick and mortar penetration than 5.45 and 5.56, which is why the Russians adopted the AK-103s to serve alongside with AK-74Ms.

The 7.62x39mm round doesn't finish its wounding profile until it'd be long out of somebodies... well body, while 5.45 and 5.56 are designed to either end it right after or even end still inside somebody.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense.

Don't.
Do.
This.

Well, okay you can use some kind of frangible 5.56 round since it'll perform better with penetrating most modern day walls which is made up of simple wood frame, plaster, maybe insulation and pipes and not risk over-penetration.

However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

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[Puzikas]

7.62 goes straight through, 5.56 tumbles and causes more damage.

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.

I would argue that having a .30-30 for a home defense gun would sacrifice length for capacity.

If you want a 7.62 for home defense get an AK.

Ballistically speaking, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are almost identical to each other, and would be perfectly viable in a self defense situation inside ones home.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense. However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

Much like Pitbulls today and Shepards in the 90's.

Kay.

7.62x39 doesnt "go straight through"- Modern 7.62x39mm-and even the Warsaw Pact ammunition you'll come across in surplus, is usually 1970s and 1980s manufactured ammunition, ammunition that no longer uses the M43 and M43-2 type projectiles. They feature nose cavities for deforming projectiles and yaw.

5.56x45mm has so many variations that its impossible to say without specification of what cartridge you are using what it will do. Rounds are designed to "yaw" (Inversion brought on by deformation and hydrolic force), and fragment (violent deformation brought on by force). The general 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition, M855A1, is designed to fragment. M193 and other rounds are designed to yaw.

You're right, you probably haven't seen them keyhole, because key holing is inversion in flight brought on by improperly stabilized bullets. Your barrels werent improperly cut and head spaced, probably.

Stopping power is a myth. The ability to incapacitate a target is certainly assisted by bullet size, mass and velocity, but there are rounds of substantially more powerful than 5.56x45mm that pale in comparison to its actual ability to incapacitate targets, because of extremely intelligent bullet design. What incapacitates and kills targets is the creation of a cavity, which causes distributed shock by way of depletion of blood, and stopping profusion to the tissues. 5.56x45mm excels at this, creating a wound cavity with a volume of about 65.3 cubic inches.

AKs are fine for Home Defense-if you dont mind running the risk of over penetrating. You should use a round that deforms more rapidly than FMJ-Soft points, hollow points (unjacketed), or frangible.

Using a type of gun in a defense situation is generally not a valid point of case outside a very, very small set of circumstances. I would ask if you can actually find a single case where it was a factor that wasn't thrown out, or where it changed the outcome of the case in favor of the plaintiff?

[Cylonarus]

I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 5.56, and I've never seen one keyhole due to design. 7.62 has more stopping power then it's weaker 55gr 5.56 brother all day long, hands down.



Ballistically speaking, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are almost identical to each other, and would be perfectly viable in a self defense situation inside ones home.

As for the Ak, it is a fantastic choice for home defense. However, I would personally stay away from it just because I've heard far too many stories recently about slick prosecutors turning victims into criminals because they made them out to be blood fueled psychopaths waiting for murder just because of the type of firearm they used and got away with it because of the BS negative stigma hyped up about them previously.

Much like Pitbulls today and Shepards in the 90's.

Kay.

7.62x39 doesnt "go straight through"- Modern 7.62x39mm-and even the Warsaw Pact ammunition you'll come across in surplus, is usually 1970s and 1980s manufactured ammunition, ammunition that no longer uses the M43 and M43-2 type projectiles. They feature nose cavities for deforming projectiles and yaw.

5.56x45mm has so many variations that its impossible to say without specification of what cartridge you are using what it will do. Rounds are designed to "yaw" (Inversion brought on by deformation and hydrolic force), and fragment (violent deformation brought on by force). The general 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition, M855A1, is designed to fragment. M193 and other rounds are designed to yaw.

You're right, you probably haven't seen them keyhole, because key holing is inversion in flight brought on by improperly stabilized bullets. Your barrels werent improperly cut and head spaced, probably.

Stopping power is a myth. The ability to incapacitate a target is certainly assisted by bullet size, mass and velocity, but there are rounds of substantially more powerful than 5.56x45mm that pale in comparison to its actual ability to incapacitate targets, because of extremely intelligent bullet design. What incapacitates and kills targets is the creation of a cavity, which causes distributed shock by way of depletion of blood, and stopping profusion to the tissues. 5.56x45mm excels at this, creating a wound cavity with a volume of about 65.3 cubic inches.

AKs are fine for Home Defense-if you dont mind running the risk of over penetrating. You should use a round that deforms more rapidly than FMJ-Soft points, hollow points (unjacketed), or frangible.

Using a type of gun in a defense situation is generally not a valid point of case outside a very, very small set of circumstances. I would ask if you can actually find a single case where it was a factor that wasn't thrown out, or where it changed the outcome of the case in favor of the plaintiff?

Oops.

On topic, this looks nice.

[Sovaal]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

[Cylonarus]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

"WatchMojo"

[Sovaal]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

"WatchMojo"

Hey, it came up in the recommends and I had nothing else to do.

And that's how they get you.

[Telconi]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

At the very edge of edginess.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

That was retardation incarnate.

[Sovaal]

Just watched a Watchmojo video on the best guns in a zombie apocalypse. So much concentrated cringe.

That was retardation incarnate.

I have become the Dali Lama of retarded incarnation. Win a Darwin Award and you will ascend to Nirvana Retardasia.

[Spreewerke]

That was blown out of proportion, but to my understanding, the 2017-production EOTechs have solved all issues associated with the L3 HWS series.

Oh, WAY out of proportion.

If you leave your patrol rifle in your trunk in 110° weather for hours, it gets hot. Wow!

Went ahead and ordered an EOTech EXPS3 earlier this week. Really looking forward to properly testing it out. I noticed they have an EOTech 3x magnifier assembly on their shelves, also, so I might look into it. Cheaper than the Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x by about half the price while also not having an eye box at 1x since you just flip the magnifier out of the way. The EOTech is also NV compatible, so I can hold off on the IR designator and look straight into night vision (no pun intended) for my helmet first.

Only things I can foresee potentially being an issue is the EOTech reticle indoors since my eye has a hard time wanting to keep it in focus when focusing on the target at such close distances (I think it is a byproduct of the holographic design, but I understand at these distances you just "paint" with the 65MOA circle, anyway), and getting quick with brightness adjustments since they're just mushy buttons. Battery life will suck compared to my AimPoints, but swapping batteries is easy and they use the same batteries as my other electronics on the firearm. Auto shut-off is something I don't like, but something I can probably work around. Just have to push a button every once in a while to let it know it needs to stay on for another four or eight hours.

[Imperial City-States]

Need y'all's recommendations for a Non Battery powered optic that'd be suitable for Tactical use on my AR-15.

To poor to avoid an ACOG as much as I'd like one. What do you gentlemen got.

[Sovaal]

Need y'all's recommendations for a Non Battery powered optic that'd be suitable for Tactical use on my AR-15.

To poor to avoid an ACOG as much as I'd like one. What do you gentlemen got.

One of those variable power, 1-4x/1-6x power scopes. Plenty of companies make 'em, so you shouldn't really have a problem finding one.

[Imperial City-States]

Need y'all's recommendations for a Non Battery powered optic that'd be suitable for Tactical use on my AR-15.

To poor to avoid an ACOG as much as I'd like one. What do you gentlemen got.

One of those variable power, 1-4x/1-6x power scopes. Plenty of companies make 'em, so you shouldn't really have a problem finding one.

Well, Issue i have with a lot of those, Is they aren't really conducive to aiming with both eyes open which is fairly essential.