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Postby Gim » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:18 am

Sovaal wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Isn't a laser sight on one of those things people suggest for de-escalation? Since it's one of the shorthands for "don't do anything stupid, there's a gun on you" like chambering a round.

I would think issueing verbal commands while pointing the weapon at them would be more effective, but I've never been in such a situation.


That sounds scary to me.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:20 am

Husseinarti wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Isn't a laser sight on one of those things people suggest for de-escalation? Since it's one of the shorthands for "don't do anything stupid, there's a gun on you" like chambering a round.


>chambering a round scaring

Idm I'll just withdraw and assault your position


During a break in?

Also "entire squad chambers weapons" is in the handbook for escalation of force during peacekeeping.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:32 am

Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:37 am


But don't the suppresors that they've been working on issuing not work with the M27?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:40 am

Sovaal wrote:

But don't the suppresors that they've been working on issuing not work with the M27?


They've put a new RFI out for that.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:27 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Husseinarti wrote:
>chambering a round scaring

Idm I'll just withdraw and assault your position


During a break in?

Also "entire squad chambers weapons" is in the handbook for escalation of force during peacekeeping.


TBF if you're playing "Show of Force" with a burglar you're doing it wrong.
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Postby Free-Don » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:10 pm



I think it's aiming for the airsoft market with that price. But the thought of that thing getting shot out is too frightening to think too deeply into.

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Postby Taostic Aesthetics » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:07 am

Gim wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I would think issueing verbal commands while pointing the weapon at them would be more effective, but I've never been in such a situation.


That sounds scary to me.

Once you're in that kind of situation - being scary is least of your concerns.

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Postby Gim » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:29 am

Taostic Aesthetics wrote:
Gim wrote:
That sounds scary to me.

Once you're in that kind of situation - being scary is least of your concerns.


The fight-and-flight mentality; I see.
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Postby Taostic Aesthetics » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:59 am

Gim wrote:
Taostic Aesthetics wrote:Once you're in that kind of situation - being scary is least of your concerns.


The fight-and-flight mentality; I see.

No lol you are being attacked ofc you need to be scary. Being scary is gud.

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Postby Free-Don » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:25 am

Taostic Aesthetics wrote:
Gim wrote:
The fight-and-flight mentality; I see.

No lol you are being attacked ofc you need to be scary. Being scary is gud.


Scariest thing you can do is producing a large volume of fire.

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Postby Spreewerke » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:59 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:The M14/M16/AR would have less "and it took a bajillion shoots to kill them!" stories if they just switched to Mk262 instead of giving everyone M855, aka, perhaps the worst 5.56 cartridge ever made.




>you'll be so stressed your eyes won't even bother finding the sights
>recommends laser


yes because a laser is still far easier to focus on with both eyes open. It's just a suggestion.



You are incorrect. What's faster is just point-shooting at the target or using an AR-15 with a red dot.



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Spreewerke wrote:The M14/M16/AR would have less "and it took a bajillion shoots to kill them!" stories if they just switched to Mk262 instead of giving everyone M855, aka, perhaps the worst 5.56 cartridge ever made.


are we talking police or military?

because who_cares if its military

m855 it does ~the job~

end of story

whenever we get working caseless assault rifles is when we'll care about changing bollets.


git u some mk262 bro



Vassenor wrote:Isn't a laser sight on one of those things people suggest for de-escalation? Since it's one of the shorthands for "don't do anything stupid, there's a gun on you" like chambering a round.



If you're in a confrontation, do you think you'll be looking at your chest or at the threat? The laser's dot is on your chest: the place you aren't looking. There is no deterrence inherent with a laser sight. I've had weapons pointed at me that were equipped with laser sights. Never once saw the laser.



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Vassenor wrote:Isn't a laser sight on one of those things people suggest for de-escalation? Since it's one of the shorthands for "don't do anything stupid, there's a gun on you" like chambering a round.

I would think issueing verbal commands while pointing the weapon at them would be more effective, but I've never been in such a situation.



It is.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:30 pm

So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.
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Postby Yagon » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:06 pm

Telconi wrote:So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.


I carried a Taurus .44 mag (although if I'm honest, most of its range-time used .44 special) while hunting in Texas brush.

Also, I applaud you for not being somebody wanting a .500 Linebaugh or X-frame Smith Yosemite Sam hand cannon as seems to be the fashion now. (Although to be fair, there probably are woods where its warranted, I just don't know them).

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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:16 pm

Yagon wrote:
Telconi wrote:So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.


I carried a Taurus .44 mag (although if I'm honest, most of its range-time used .44 special) while hunting in Texas brush.

Also, I applaud you for not being somebody wanting a .500 Linebaugh or X-frame Smith Yosemite Sam hand cannon as seems to be the fashion now. (Although to be fair, there probably are woods where its warranted, I just don't know them).


Well I don't live in Alaska, so black bear or cougar is what I'd be dealing with. Figured .44 is suitable.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yagon wrote:
I carried a Taurus .44 mag (although if I'm honest, most of its range-time used .44 special) while hunting in Texas brush.

Also, I applaud you for not being somebody wanting a .500 Linebaugh or X-frame Smith Yosemite Sam hand cannon as seems to be the fashion now. (Although to be fair, there probably are woods where its warranted, I just don't know them).


Well I don't live in Alaska, so black bear or cougar is what I'd be dealing with. Figured .44 is suitable.


I doubt you'd even have to worry about the black bears tbh.
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Postby Yagon » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well I don't live in Alaska, so black bear or cougar is what I'd be dealing with. Figured .44 is suitable.


I doubt you'd even have to worry about the black bears tbh.


I saw footage on youtube one time, this guy on top of a huge cylindrical bear trap/transport, opens the cage while standing atop the cylinder (I believe they were in the process of releasing it), guy falls down, bears starts mauling him, he empties like five rounds of .454 casull into the thing (I think it was either a Super Redhawk or some other big ruger but the barrel was shorter than you usually see on those).

I've never had to fight a bear and I doubt I'd even get a shot off, but this dude put four or five rounds into it at close range while it was jacking him up, and it never stopped jacking him up. I didn't see the end.

But his problem required him to choose to be at close quarters with a bear just let out of cage. Unless you hunt really different than me, you won't have that issue.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well I don't live in Alaska, so black bear or cougar is what I'd be dealing with. Figured .44 is suitable.


I doubt you'd even have to worry about the black bears tbh.


Yeah the black bears are highly unlikely to be an issue, cougars on the other hand can be assholes, especially in the winter.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zqsPvGTfw

I came across this video and I can't tell if it is based in truth or just fiction, but I could see it happening. The setting is obviously in the UK. Now this is what the 2nd amendment is for- some bad hombres run amok in the UK and the British more often than not- aren't able to defend their property, dignity, and honor.

Americans don't put up with no hooligans vandalizing their home and castle. If anyone tries that they're liable to get shot, and this is legally protected in the US when the circumstances are clear. If it is established that the people involved threw a Molotov cocktail or done other criminal actions.

Those rotten kids in the video, probably deserve no mercy should they ignore all prior warning and if they knew they could run up against potentially lethal force if they do something warranting retaliation, they would be scared enough to stay well away.

The US is so much better in terms of property and gun rights, it is no wonder Stuart Varney became an American! His native country is full of terrible, terrible people in government- who don't appreciate self defense enough so as to enshrine that into law.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:14 am

This is a non-politically-themed thread.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:42 pm

Telconi wrote:So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.


Anything 10mm really.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:43 pm

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Telconi wrote:So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.


Anything 10mm really.


You come back and recommend that meme round, smh
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Anything 10mm really.


You come back and recommend that meme round, smh


I did it just for you WRA. :hug:

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:53 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Telconi wrote:So been eyeing some possible woods side-arms. Looking at probably .44 Mag. thinking about the S&W 629.


Anything 10mm really.


10mm is pretty much .50 AE level of useless. Too much for two legged baddies, too little for four legged baddies.
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