GUN TALK (Favorite guns discussion thread)

[Sovaal]

I love the M1911 pistol for practical usage, and a MP5 is fun to fire as well.

When it comes to "fun" guns that I'll probably never be able to touch, the Kel-Tec KSG-12 tactical shotgun is probably my favorite.

I’ve only shot a 1911- derived gun a few times, eh it was ok. For what it was I prefer my M&P or stepdads Glock. Of course an actual .45 one might be different, and I still want one tbh.

[Mujahidah]

Caseless Ammo sucks.

/thread

[Sovaal]

Caseless Ammo sucks.

/thread

How dare you talk done to the Kraut Space Wizard overlords!/s

But yah having a heat sink built into your ammo is pretty nice.

[Monfrox]

Caseless Ammo sucks.

/thread

How dare you talk done to the Kraut Space Wizard overlords!/s

But yah having a heat sink built into your ammo is pretty nice.

Caseless polymer ammunition.

FUUUUUTTUUUURRRRREEEEE!

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

Caseless Ammo sucks.

/thread

Definitely agreed.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

i thought the M249 was one of the best SAWs in the world. Also will the US military not be satisfied until they've replaced every gun with an M16 or M4 look alike?

First off, I would prefer the KAC Stoner 99 LMG over the M249. I don’t particularly like the IAR, nor do I see its usage as a SAW.

Second, the M16 and M4 are national treasures. Don’t you dare tarnish them- (although the IAR, and the gun it was based off of, the HK416, are glorified German knockoffs of the AR-18. They don’t even have the classic M16 direct impingement.)

[Pax Nerdvana]

i thought the M249 was one of the best SAWs in the world. Also will the US military not be satisfied until they've replaced every gun with an M16 or M4 look alike?

Apparently so. Fun fact: as of the '90s, I believe the SEALS were still using a variant of the M60.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

i thought the M249 was one of the best SAWs in the world. Also will the US military not be satisfied until they've replaced every gun with an M16 or M4 look alike?

Apparently so. Fun fact: as of the '90s, I believe the SEALS were still using a variant of the M60.

*Rambo theme starts playing*

Good for the SEALs!- I always loved that thing just like I love the AR-15/M16 platform. It’s also just so iconic, especially in the Vietnam War alongside the M16A1, and I believe Desert Storm as well.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Apparently so. Fun fact: as of the '90s, I believe the SEALS were still using a variant of the M60.

*Rambo theme starts playing*

Good for the SEALs!- I always loved that thing just like I love the AR-15/M16 platform. It’s also just so iconic, especially in the Vietnam War alongside the M16A1, and I believe Desert Storm as well.

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

[Hurtful Thoughts]

*Rambo theme starts playing*

Good for the SEALs!- I always loved that thing just like I love the AR-15/M16 platform. It’s also just so iconic, especially in the Vietnam War alongside the M16A1, and I believe Desert Storm as well.

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.

M240 is a bit more front-heavy, and the M60 was originally meant to be given to the "Automatic Rifleman" to replace the mag-fed M1918A2 and M14A1 rifles of smae caliber.

when the 5.56mm was being intro'd, the 7.62 was still "standard" in the 60's and the M60 was an AR up until the 90's rolled-up and told everyone the cold war was over and nobody had to worry about decimating human-wave attacks draped in soviet power-armor fueled by vodka-induced rage.

In short, the M60 was originally meant to be "one-manned" in a pucker-moment. Something the early FN-MAGs weren't looking up to the task for

[Impaled Nazarene]

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.

M240 is a bit more front-heavy, and the M60 was originally meant to be given to the "Automatic Rifleman" to replace the mag-fed M1918A2 and M14A1 rifles of smae caliber.

when the 5.56mm was being intro'd, the 7.62 was still "standard" in the 60's and the M60 was an AR up until the 90's rolled-up and told everyone the cold war was over and nobody had to worry about decimating human-wave attacks draped in soviet power-armor fueled by vodka-induced rage.

In short, the M60 was originally meant to be "one-manned" in a pucker-moment.

But as we saw with the mounted M60s they under-performed when mounted on anything heavier than a sandbag. Especially on helicopters. The rate of fire was just too low and while the M240 only shoots 200rpm faster at max its seen as the better mounted weapon.

[Pax Nerdvana]

M240 is a bit more front-heavy, and the M60 was originally meant to be given to the "Automatic Rifleman" to replace the mag-fed M1918A2 and M14A1 rifles of smae caliber.

when the 5.56mm was being intro'd, the 7.62 was still "standard" in the 60's and the M60 was an AR up until the 90's rolled-up and told everyone the cold war was over and nobody had to worry about decimating human-wave attacks draped in soviet power-armor fueled by vodka-induced rage.

In short, the M60 was originally meant to be "one-manned" in a pucker-moment.

But as we saw with the mounted M60s they under-performed when mounted on anything heavier than a sandbag. Especially on helicopters. The rate of fire was just too low and while the M240 only shoots 200rpm faster at max its seen as the better mounted weapon.

The M60 fires a heavier round, iIrc.

[Sovaal]

*Rambo theme starts playing*

Good for the SEALs!- I always loved that thing just like I love the AR-15/M16 platform. It’s also just so iconic, especially in the Vietnam War alongside the M16A1, and I believe Desert Storm as well.

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

The wrong Vietnam.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

*Rambo theme starts playing*

Good for the SEALs!- I always loved that thing just like I love the AR-15/M16 platform. It’s also just so iconic, especially in the Vietnam War alongside the M16A1, and I believe Desert Storm as well.

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT[/quote

0. The invention, and right after, first mass deployment of the handheld freedom sprayer AR-15/M16 platform


(But yeah, the AC130 is also great. And why is Vietnam winning a good thing?)

[Pax Nerdvana]

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT[/quote

0. The invention, and right after, first mass deployment of the handheld freedom sprayer AR-15/M16 platform


(But yeah, the AC130 is also great. And why is Vietnam winning a good thing?)

I have no clue. Vietnam also saw the F4 Phantom.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT[/quote

0. The invention, and right after, first mass deployment of the handheld freedom sprayer AR-15/M16 platform


(But yeah, the AC130 is also great. And why is Vietnam winning a good thing?)

I have no clue. Vietnam also saw the F4 Phantom.

Yeah, the F4 Phantom was really the American air champion during that time. We always have one notable aircraft during a conflict, starting from WWII.

WWII- P-51 Mustang (really, it’s the most notable Allied plane besides the Spitfire)
Korean War- F-86 Sabre
Vietnam War- F-4 Phantom
Falklands War- Harrier
Desert Storm (and rest of the Cold War)- F-14 Tomcat
Iraq War- F-16 Fighting Falcon
Any future conflicts- either F-22 Raptor or F-35 Lightning

[Pax Nerdvana]

I have no clue. Vietnam also saw the F4 Phantom.

Yeah, the F4 Phantom was really the American air champion during that time. We always have one notable aircraft during a conflict, starting from WWII.

WWII- P-51 Mustang (really, it’s the most notable Allied plane besides the Spitfire)
Korean War- F-86 Sabre
Vietnam War- F-4 Phantom
Falklands War- Harrier
Desert Storm (and rest of the Cold War)- F-14 Tomcat
Iraq War- F-16 Fighting Falcon
Any future conflicts- either F-22 Raptor or F-35 Lightning

Yeah. I love airplanes. I know! We mount a railgun in an F14 Tomcat.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

The wrong Vietnam.

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

And why is Vietnam winning a good thing?)

Because fuck imperialism, and fuck the puppet government known as South Vietnam.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The wrong Vietnam.

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

Horseshit. Next you'll be saying the US has been an invalid nation since 1776.

Also the M240 is not a knock off of Belgian "crap" its the US military designation of the FNMAG and Belgian weapons are hardly crap. They consistently make weapons on par if not better than the Germans do.
"by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied."
The Germans made some of the best weapons in history while occupied during the Cold War. US equipment wasn't always top notch either. Take a look at the Krag and the early WWII tanks the US fielded. You have such an awkwardly skewed idea of what good is.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

Horseshit. Next you'll be saying the US has been an invalid nation since 1776.

Also the M240 is not a knock off of Belgian "crap" its the US military designation of the FNMAG and Belgian weapons are hardly crap. They consistently make weapons on par if not better than the Germans do.

European scrap metal from the world capital of doormats.

America doesn't need it. America needs American arms.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Horseshit. Next you'll be saying the US has been an invalid nation since 1776.

Also the M240 is not a knock off of Belgian "crap" its the US military designation of the FNMAG and Belgian weapons are hardly crap. They consistently make weapons on par if not better than the Germans do.

European scrap metal from the world capital of doormats.

America doesn't need it. America needs American arms.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

European scrap metal from the world capital of doormats.

America doesn't need it. America needs American arms.

Arms for the love of America.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

"by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied."
The Germans made some of the best weapons in history while occupied during the Cold War.

Only East Germany, and I don't recall them being renowned for firearms.

US equipment wasn't always top notch either. Take a look at the Krag and the early WWII tanks the US fielded. You have such an awkwardly skewed idea of what good is.

Krag was made by Norwegians (who aren't known for their arms industry), and the Americans had excellent tanks in the early war. It's just the Sherman was even better.

[The East Marches II]

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

^this tbh

Quality post