GUN TALK (Favorite guns discussion thread)

[Manokan Republic]

I'll tell you what's a cool machine gun, the M1941 Johnson machine gun. It was only 13 pounds, and 15 pounds with a bipod, and could be potentially belt fed as well, making it one of the lightest weight machine guns there was during WWII. The gun was also only about 40 inches long, which in comparison the M249 is 17 pounds an 40 inches long and the Mk. 48 is 18 pounds and 40 inches long, and both weapons fire a weaker cartridge than the .30-06. It's fairly incredible what it achieved at the time, and in part due to the reciprocating barrel had very low recoil despite the low weight, making it easy to handle at the shoulder or on a bipod. It apparently was pretty reliable, but it wasn't very durable, and wore out after 30,000 rounds and jammed a lot if you got a lot of debri stuck in it. Still it was more reliable than the M16 which we later adopted, which also wears out after only 10,000 rounds. It's weird to think that this and the bullpup M1 garand could have been our next weapons, but for various reasons we ended up choosing other weapons.

You can tell based on the design that a lot of the design elements were alter incorporated in to the M16, particularly the really long buffer tube in the rear.

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Where can I get one of these? Display/historical purposes, of course.

Unfortunately they're very rare and therefore expensive, and you have to find them at say historical gun auctions and the like. I know that the forgotten weapons people had an auction, but it was a long time ago.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Where can I get one of these? Display/historical purposes, of course.

Unfortunately they're very rare and therefore expensive, and you have to find them at say historical gun auctions and the like. I know that the forgotten weapons people had an auction, but it was a long time ago.

Oh well. Darn.

[Germanic Templars]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

General Electric made one. Can’t remember the name, but they made a 3-barreled belt-fed one.

[Monfrox]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

General Electric made one. Can’t remember the name, but they made a 3-barreled belt-fed one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-19

[Germanic Templars]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

General Electric made one. Can’t remember the name, but they made a 3-barreled belt-fed one.

No, no, I am talking hand-cranked.

[Impaled Nazarene]

General Electric made one. Can’t remember the name, but they made a 3-barreled belt-fed one.

No, no, I am talking hand-cranked.

Well that's actually an interesting idea though i'm not sure the problems it would have would be worth the cost to have the design rectify them. You'd likely get a 155mm cheaper.

[The Two Jerseys]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

Compared to come of the quadmounts we've dreamed up here, that idea is completely sane.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

Compared to come of the quadmounts we've dreamed up here, that idea is completely sane.

Yeah..... we've talked about quad mount GAU-8s and railguns....

[Big Jim P]

Compared to come of the quadmounts we've dreamed up here, that idea is completely sane.

Yeah..... we've talked about quad mount GAU-8s and railguns....

Our idea were nothing more than good examples of practicality.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Yeah..... we've talked about quad mount GAU-8s and railguns....

Our idea were nothing more than good examples of practicality.

Yep.

[Spreewerke]

Now that I'm thinking about it...maybe I should get a Dragunov. Hopefully its civilian model is still being sold/is legal in the U.S.

Good luck. Russian weapons are import banned (thanks, Bill Clinton) so you’re going to have to buy it from an importer like Century Arms who takes Russian surplus imports and replaces parts on it with American made ones.

That's not how that works.

[Germanic Templars]

I thought of a stupid idea: Gatling gun that fires 12.7mm. Yes, multi barrels but belt-fed instead.

Compared to come of the quadmounts we've dreamed up here, that idea is completely sane.

Quite frankly, I just want something that is legal and a middle finger to ATF.

[Monfrox]

Good luck. Russian weapons are import banned (thanks, Bill Clinton) so you’re going to have to buy it from an importer like Century Arms who takes Russian surplus imports and replaces parts on it with American made ones.

That's not how that works.

That is how it works though. Century Arms imports Russian weapons, takes them to a customs neutral warehouse, and replaces all the main important parts with American made parts. Namely the receiver and trigger grouping and things like that. That's how they can get around the import ban. Because technically to the ATF, the trigger grouping and receiver are the "firearm" part and so as long as those are made in America and on the gun, then it's fine.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The BAR is the perfect example of a product designed in a bubble. America in the early 20th century always favored a "walking fire" doctrine. The original BAR worked well enough, but it would've been even better had it come out a year earlier.

However, once you take that product out of the bubble, that's when things start to get complicated. The BAR was heavy and the bipod was actually pretty shitty. And a 20 round box magazine means you're better off using a Grease Gun or a Thompson for suppressive fire, let alone an actual machine gun. The BAR is a nice weapon and I do love it, but it is absolutely not suited for a Light Machine Gun role in the slightest. Hence the introduction of man portable Browning M1919's. Now, let's break it down.

Right, a more fair comparisson would be the M1919A6 and MG34 in terms of a suppressive-fire light machine-gun.

The 'A6 being an attempt to get the weapons-company assets down to platoon-level. And it suffered many of the same faults (and then some) of the MG34.

Underwieght barrel overheating, recoil buffer/bushing issues, shit bipod of the M1918, and by-far the heaviest of options.

You say 'super high rates of fire didn't really mean anything' like the BAR didn't have the ability to switch to a faster automatic setting that pumped its firerate up almost to the point of an M1928 Thompson. Aside from that, you also seem to have contradicted yourself. Yes, the MG42 is heavy. Yes, it's meant for a tripod. Yes, it's made for blazing fast suppressing fire. But the heavier a gun is, the less recoil is absorbed by the shooter and the more that is absorbed by the firearm itself.That said, the heavy MG42s, when mounted on bipods and tripods, can absorb a lot of the guns recoil. That's what it was designed to do.

The rate-reducer (least on the '18A2s*, the older ones favored semi-auto only like the Mle 1916) that ate the entire inerior of the buttstock was alright when it worked, but due to the constraints of combat tended to foul and force the shooter to operate at high-auto more often just to prevent the reducer from perma-locking the gun up (which pretty much requires a baseball-swing against a tree to fix, much like the Chauchat it was designed to emulate/replace).

*Ironicly, the rate reducer was added in place of a semi-ato trigger-disconnect in an effort to both simplify production and allow for slightly better controlled fully automatic fire.

That's not how that works.

That is how it works though. Century Arms imports Russian weapons, takes them to a customs neutral warehouse, and replaces all the main important parts with American made parts. Namely the receiver and trigger grouping and things like that. That's how they can get around the import ban. Because technically to the ATF, the trigger grouping and receiver are the "firearm" part and so as long as those are made in America and on the gun, then it's fine.

Hence why when you go to a gun store looking for an "AK" the storeowner will give you a blank stare then show you a selection of "WASR-12"s

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

What if we brought the G3 SAS to reality with a real H&K G3? Would it be practical in any way for any purpose? How bad would the recoil or accuracy be?


Context: the “G3 SAS” is an airsoft gun, resembling a G3 battle rifle with its stock, handguard, and barrel cut down to the size of an MP5K.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

What if we brought the G3 SAS to reality with a real H&K G3? Would it be practical in any way for any purpose? How bad would the recoil or accuracy be?


Context: the “G3 SAS” is an airsoft gun, resembling a G3 battle rifle with its stock, handguard, and barrel cut down to the size of an MP5K.

Such a beast exists. (H and K model 51 "Kurz" specificly)

There's also a belt-fed version.

It tends to singe the hair on your fingers, so heat and flame retardent leather shooting-gloves (or golf, or TiG) may be useful.

Sights are pretty much useless when full auto, due to vibration.

[Big Jim P]

FNX-45 being offered for $600. Sorely tempted.

[Pax Nerdvana]

FNX-45 being offered for $600. Sorely tempted.

If it's that cheap, maybe you should go ahead and get it.

[Germanic Templars]

Everyone, I have a confession to make: I am a gun-grabber. I like to go into gun stores and hold guns, examine them and see and feel how they work. With that said...

I cannot decide which pistol to get. I am stuck with the Spanish Modelo B and that P11. Issue is with the Modelo B is despite selling it for less than $150, it is quite beaten up.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Everyone, I have a confession to make: I am a gun-grabber. I like to go into gun stores and hold guns, examine them and see and feel how they work. With that said...

I cannot decide which pistol to get. I am stuck with the Spanish Modelo B and that P11. Issue is with the Modelo B is despite selling it for less than $150, it is quite beaten up.

Depending on how battered it is, you might be able to fix it up.

[Germanic Templars]

Everyone, I have a confession to make: I am a gun-grabber. I like to go into gun stores and hold guns, examine them and see and feel how they work. With that said...

I cannot decide which pistol to get. I am stuck with the Spanish Modelo B and that P11. Issue is with the Modelo B is despite selling it for less than $150, it is quite beaten up.

Depending on how battered it is, you might be able to fix it up.

In a bit of bad shape, compared to one going for $200 more. However, it still functions well and the barrel looks hardly used.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Depending on how battered it is, you might be able to fix it up.

In a bit of bad shape, compared to one going for $200 more. However, it still functions well and the barrel looks hardly used.

Is the furniture wood?

[Germanic Templars]

In a bit of bad shape, compared to one going for $200 more. However, it still functions well and the barrel looks hardly used.

Is the furniture wood?

Yes, it is. Even that, while a bit darken compared to the more expensive one, is still in fair condition. There is some rust spots on it, but nothing too hateful, the rust that is on it are tiny; would say 1/4 to 1mm in diameter.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Is the furniture wood?

Yes, it is. Even that, while a bit darken compared to the more expensive one, is still in fair condition. There is some rust spots on it, but nothing too hateful, the rust that is on it are tiny; would say 1/4 to 1mm in diameter.

That could probably be cleaned up in a shop.