GUN TALK (Favorite guns discussion thread)

[The Empire of Pretantia]

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

^this tbh

Quality post

Somebody gets it.

"Wuh, we should've adopted the FAL instead of the M-14!"
You're right in one respect, nonexistent debater, we shouldn't have adopted the M14. We should've gotten the AR10 instead.

[Gim]

The M240 was much better and was ready to go around the same time the M60. Besides there's only 3 good things about Vietnam.
1. First mass use of the AK-47 platform
2. Vietnam won
3. The introduction of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

The wrong Vietnam.

You mean the North?

[Pax Nerdvana]

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

Horseshit. Next you'll be saying the US has been an invalid nation since 1776.

Also the M240 is not a knock off of Belgian "crap" its the US military designation of the FNMAG and Belgian weapons are hardly crap. They consistently make weapons on par if not better than the Germans do.
"by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied."
The Germans made some of the best weapons in history while occupied during the Cold War. US equipment wasn't always top notch either. Take a look at the Krag and the early WWII tanks the US fielded. You have such an awkwardly skewed idea of what good is.

The M3 wasn't that great of a tank. It was better than most British tanks in North Africa when we gave it to them, but it still wasn't great.

[Sovaal]

The wrong Vietnam.

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

And why is Vietnam winning a good thing?)

Because fuck imperialist, and fuck the puppet government known as South Vietnam.

I prefer my legitamate governments to not run reeducation camps.

Although the South didn’t have such a great track record either.

World wide de revolution against the states when?

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

The correct Vietnam. Ya know. The one with a legitimate government.

A socialist government is never legitimate.

And the M240 was just a knockoff of some Belgian crap. We should have developed an indigenous machine gun instead of adopting a weapon made by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied.

Agreed.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

^this tbh

Quality post

Somebody gets it.

"Wuh, we should've adopted the FAL instead of the M-14!"
You're right in one respect, nonexistent debater, we shouldn't have adopted the M14. We should've gotten the AR10 instead.

Why do I agree with pretty much everyone here (except for Nazarene) on this matter?

[The Pearlescent Sands]

I'm curious.

Would any of you consider the M60 a failed experiment with too many issues to be worth it, or a workhorse GPMG with a few issues that didn't keep it down from suppressing VC and other enemies alike?

I'm more or less curious because I saw the M240 hate going around, which I'm pretty sure is what replaced the M60.

[Khornatenreich]

I'm curious.

Would any of you consider the M60 a failed experiment with too many issues to be worth it, or a workhorse GPMG with a few issues that didn't keep it down from suppressing VC and other enemies alike?

I'm more or less curious because I saw the M240 hate going around, which I'm pretty sure is what replaced the M60.

Have you seen the Larry Vickers video on the E4 derivative? It's rather good actually. but, I would highly encourage you to check out Forgottenweapon's videos on the M60 covers more detail on the subject than any of care to dig for really; but it directly answers your question and then some.

[Germanic Templars]

So I have decided on a shotgun, a Remington 870 Express. Mainly getting it because of aesthetic purposes and because I want a third American gun to my arsenal.

[Len Hyet]

So I have decided on a shotgun, a Remington 870 Express. Mainly getting it because of aesthetic purposes and because I want a third American gun to my arsenal.

Buying used I hope

[Chernoslavia]

So I have decided on a shotgun, a Remington 870 Express. Mainly getting it because of aesthetic purposes and because I want a third American gun to my arsenal.

Cool I hope it's one of the good batches. I'm getting a Maverick 88 Security.

[Pax Nerdvana]

So I have decided on a shotgun, a Remington 870 Express. Mainly getting it because of aesthetic purposes and because I want a third American gun to my arsenal.

I want an 870, preferably used because that might be a little cheaper and better quality.

[Corantia]

So I have decided on a shotgun, a Remington 870 Express. Mainly getting it because of aesthetic purposes and because I want a third American gun to my arsenal.

I want an 870, preferably used because that might be a little cheaper and better quality.

I've heard that they've really dropped in quality recently.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I want an 870, preferably used because that might be a little cheaper and better quality.

I've heard that they've really dropped in quality recently.

THat's why I'd go with an older one.

[Democratic Exodian Territories]

I want an 870, preferably used because that might be a little cheaper and better quality.

I've heard that they've really dropped in quality recently.

Poor Remington’s been devastated by the recent “use politics to justify bullying gun companies” gun control agenda and had to file for bankruptcy. But that’s another story, one that probably doesn’t belong on this thread.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I've heard that they've really dropped in quality recently.

Poor Remington’s been devastated by the recent “use politics to justify bullying gun companies” gun control agenda and had to file for bankruptcy. But that’s another story, one that probably doesn’t belong on this thread.

Yeah. Fortunately, it hasn't hit Colt or Winchester as far as I know.

[Len Hyet]

I've heard that they've really dropped in quality recently.

Poor Remington’s been devastated by the recent “use politics to justify bullying gun companies” gun control agenda and had to file for bankruptcy. But that’s another story, one that probably doesn’t belong on this thread.

No Remington got devastated by being bought out by a Venture Capitalist firm that cut quality control to rely on their name to sell guns until even that didn't cut it anymore and now they're folding under the weight of being a shitty company.

[Lord-General Drache]

I discovered I have a powerful need for a CZ 805 Bren someone stop me

[Pax Nerdvana]

I discovered I have a powerful need for a CZ 805 Bren someone stop me

Is that a bad thing?

[Sovaal]

I discovered I have a powerful need for a CZ 805 Bren someone stop me

Is that a bad thing?

For your rights/hobby as an American (or any other nationality)? No.

For your wallet? Pretty sure the things are $1500+ so yes.

[The Two Jerseys]

Horseshit. Next you'll be saying the US has been an invalid nation since 1776.

Also the M240 is not a knock off of Belgian "crap" its the US military designation of the FNMAG and Belgian weapons are hardly crap. They consistently make weapons on par if not better than the Germans do.
"by a country who spent the last two big wars occupied."
The Germans made some of the best weapons in history while occupied during the Cold War. US equipment wasn't always top notch either. Take a look at the Krag and the early WWII tanks the US fielded. You have such an awkwardly skewed idea of what good is.

The M3 wasn't that great of a tank. It was better than most British tanks in North Africa when we gave it to them, but it still wasn't great.

Light M3 or Medium M3?

[The Litan Imperium]

H&K G3 or 21E, love me some Heckler and Koch

[Mujahidah]

Take a look at the Krag.

The Krag was Norwegian

[Chernoslavia]

H&K G3 or 21E, love me some Heckler and Koch

G3 all the way...

[Impaled Nazarene]

I'm curious.

Would any of you consider the M60 a failed experiment with too many issues to be worth it, or a workhorse GPMG with a few issues that didn't keep it down from suppressing VC and other enemies alike?

I'm more or less curious because I saw the M240 hate going around, which I'm pretty sure is what replaced the M60.

It wasn't a failed experiment in fact that one person who mentioned how good it was as an infantry weapon is generally correct. I just think it's meh in hindsight as a mounted weapon. The FNMAG outclasses it as a general purpose machine and the M249 outclasses it as an SAW. People who hate on the M240 are just Belgist. Though I suppose its a break from the P90 hipsters. The M60s only flaw other than an insufficient rate of fire as a mounted machinegun (which was fixed by Helicopter mounted BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT) was that it was slightly less reliable than the PKM which isn't saying much considering the PKM had the same rate of fire as the M60. It worked fine for the time but the FNMAG would have worked better. The M60 was good enough but still holds up well as a squad automatic for its ease of fire when standing and even walking.