Do you agree with Democracy?

[Agritum]

Ah, that loony "America is not democratic, but a republic" meme again.

So it looney? To know world history, the fact of the matter is America is a republic.

A democratic republic, exactly.

You know, it's the thing that makes it different from un-democratic republics like North Korea.

[Arcov]

You would make whatever benefits you, whether that is an Orwellian police state or anarchist federation. Stop pretending you don't have a history here.

I have never once advocated for anarchism to be implemented, except within the context of it being confined to isolated and controlled reservations.

You ignored what I said again. Ii said you'd do whatever benefits you. If you benefited from an anarchist collective the most, you'd choose that. You don't need to advocate considering you've said you're Machiavellian(which, btw, is anti-Machiavellian) and without morals.

[Merent]

1. The northern slavery that would exist was minuscle compared to the southern slavery that was allowed to exist 3 more decades due to independance.
2. In Canada and other Colonies the treatment was much better than the treatment the native americans got under the stars and stripes.
3. Most colonials were either neutral or loyalist. The British had kept the colonies safe from the French and and as soon as they were expected to pay a little tax the traitors cried like little girls.

[Othelos]

Ah, that loony "America is not democratic, but a republic" meme again.

So it looney? To know world history, the fact of the matter is America is a republic.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Fair enough. But what about the 4,000 Americans who died in Iraq

He started the war with the permission of the people.

Under false pretenses.

Anyway I am not arguing that Bush should necessarily be thrown in jail. I'm simply highlighting the fact that democracies are not any more accountable than autocracies and thus we should stop assuming the former is better than the latter.

[Blackwing Coast]

A democracy is only as good as the people's education, and the time they take to investigate their politicans. But at least it provides the opportunity to do so, which most authoritorian systems do not. The end results may be mediocre but at least it keeps the worst assholes out.

The problem is that many politicans are not so much whores but pimps. They would sell each and any human right of their voters to the corporations that finance their elections if they could get away with it. There are exceptions, but about as many as carps in a pond of pickerels.

The solution would be to inflict heavy, corporal, public punishments on politicians who break their word. In order to lead a state well, one must not give in to certain human weaknesses (and where there are disagreements about which, better take the sum of both), and as such, giving up certain rights would need to be a requirement to enter a position of power. The higher the power, the easier it is to sentence them to dismemberment and death. They want to keep their rights, they may not enter.
And yes, I am serious.
That would do wonders to drive all the assholes out.

Some would be willing to sacrifice an arm or a leg or even their life for their agenda or personal financial gain, but for the most part you would get very rational and honest politicians.

The problem is implementing it into law, because guess who approves the laws. Them.

Then again, if all laws were implemented via direct democracy, it could very well work.

[AkAr Cydonia]

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

No we are not, the constitution and bill of rights is what gets people elected and gets them thrown out, they swear an oath towards the constitution not towards democracy. Again I will repeat myself because people can't comprehend what I'm saying, both canada and America have democratic properties but neither are democracies. I don't understand how that is so hard to comprehend.

[Conscentia]

A pure democracy would be the last thing to assure this.

good thing there aren't any nations that are direct democracies.

Switzerland & Lichtenstein are. Their people have the right to petition and referendum. Their populace can legislate at any time.
Additionally, some Swiss cantons continue the landsgemeinde.

[Zottistan]

Probably, but all a dictatorship needs to be great is the right dictator. Just like all a democracy needs to be great is the right general public.

The right dictators are few and far between. It is far easier to trust the public than than a dictator.

The right dictators are few and far between, but so is the right general populace. I struggle to trust a general public, 40%-50% of whom oppose gay marriage, to run a country.

[AkAr Cydonia]

So it looney? To know world history, the fact of the matter is America is a republic.

A democratic republic, exactly.

You know, it's the thing that makes it different from un-democratic republics like North Korea.

Jumping flapping titties, they don't swear an oath to democracy, they swear an oath towards the constitution. Again I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend, yes we have democratic properties but neither country is a democracy.

[Arcov]

1. The northern slavery that would exist was minuscle compared to the southern slavery that was allowed to exist 3 more decades due to freedom.
2. In Canada and other Colonies the treatment was much better than the treatment the native americans got under the stars and stripes.
3. Most colonials were either neutral or loyalist. The British had kept the colonies safe from the French and and as soon as they were expected to pay a little tax the traitors cried like little girls.

1. I don't know what that has do with what I said. The southern landowners would still be very powerful under Britain, and it already took Britain till the 1900s to ban slavery in their colonies.
2. No, Canada killed them off and sent them to re-education schools, like the US. The UK meanwhile proved they didn't help natives out of altruism, considering what they did in Africa.
3. No, most were neutral, the loyalists/patriots were roughly equal. The French only attacked the colonies because the UK was involved in a war against France in Europe.

[Arcov]

The right dictators are few and far between. It is far easier to trust the public than than a dictator.

The right dictators are few and far between, but so is the right general populace. I struggle to trust a general public, 40%-50% of whom oppose gay marriage, to run a country.

And what percentage of dictators have done right by their country?

[Othelos]

1. The northern slavery that would exist was minuscle compared to the southern slavery that was allowed to exist 3 more decades due to freedom.

Same in Britain, but Britain took decades longer to outlaw it.

2. In Canada and other Colonies the treatment was much better than the treatment the native americans got under the stars and stripes.

That's only because of geographic location.

Natives who live in northern canada weren't bothered, because not that many non-natives wanted to move there, so there's was no reason to force them off the land.

3. Most colonials were either neutral or loyalist. The British had kept the colonies safe from the French and and as soon as they were expected to pay a little tax the traitors cried like little girls.

Americans were allied with the french during the revolutionary war. They were happy to be on our side, and the only reason they would attack the colonies is because they were British, which is another reason why independence was a good thing.

He started the war with the permission of the people.

Under false pretenses.

Anyway I am not arguing that Bush should necessarily be thrown in jail. I'm simply highlighting the fact that democracies are not any more accountable than autocracies and thus we should stop assuming the former is better than the latter.

I know, you're just simply wrong.

[Arcov]

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

No we are not, the constitution and bill of rights is what gets people elected and gets them thrown out, they swear an oath towards the constitution not towards democracy. Again I will repeat myself because people can't comprehend what I'm saying, both canada and America have democratic properties but neither are democracies. I don't understand how that is so hard to comprehend.

You don;t understand what the difference between a republic and a democracy is.

Tell me, what do you think a republic is? Because it isn't electing people to represent you.

[Agritum]

A democratic republic, exactly.

You know, it's the thing that makes it different from un-democratic republics like North Korea.

Jumping flapping titties, they don't swear an oath to democracy, they swear an oath towards the constitution. Again I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend, yes we have democratic properties but neither country is a democracy.

So the people of America don't elect their rulers?
The horrors! We should definitely invade those dictatorial loonies.

And what's the difference between a democracy and having democratic properties?

[Zottistan]

The right dictators are few and far between, but so is the right general populace. I struggle to trust a general public, 40%-50% of whom oppose gay marriage, to run a country.

And what percentage of dictators have done right by their country?

Why are you asking this? I agreed that the right dictators were few and far between.

[Bojikami]

Depends on the day.

[Arcov]

And what percentage of dictators have done right by their country?

Why are you asking this? I agreed that the right dictators were few and far between.

I'm asking you to tell me exactly how many dictators you believe did right, compared to you gay marriage statistic.

[Othelos]

Ah, that loony "America is not democratic, but a republic" meme again.

So it looney? To know world history, the fact of the matter is America is a republic.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

[AkAr Cydonia]

Jumping flapping titties, they don't swear an oath to democracy, they swear an oath towards the constitution. Again I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend, yes we have democratic properties but neither country is a democracy.

So the people of America don't elect their rulers?
The horrors! We should definitely invade those dictatorial loonies.

You don't know how to read do you, we have democratic properties but we are not democracies.
One is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy.

[Othelos]

So the people of America don't elect their rulers?
The horrors! We should definitely invade those dictatorial loonies.

You don't know how to read do you, we have democratic properties but we are not democracies.
One is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

[Merent]

But he doesn't do anything but appear in scandals and a few ceremonies, I want him to rule!

why?

Because I believe a system where the people that that make the laws do not listen to the people. The fact is is democracy the people (including me) are ignorant and a hereditary system of monarchy and nobility where they are raised to rule and commonors work and pay taxes works better. A system where the people in charge are trained from birth to rule. Democracy leads to people focusing on improving their own lot rather than the glory of the nation. Monarchs are imperial and work to expand their realm, maximise economic growth and scientific advancement so their children get a great inheritance.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I have never once advocated for anarchism to be implemented, except within the context of it being confined to isolated and controlled reservations.

You ignored what I said again. Ii said you'd do whatever benefits you. If you benefited from an anarchist collective the most, you'd choose that. You don't need to advocate considering you've said you're Machiavellian(which, btw, is anti-Machiavellian) and without morals.

I see your point on a theoretically level. However you make the assumption that it is possible for a man like me to truly benefit from an anarchist collective, which I would dispute as it is a inferior system.

[Othelos]

A democratic republic, exactly.

You know, it's the thing that makes it different from un-democratic republics like North Korea.

Jumping flapping titties, they don't swear an oath to democracy, they swear an oath towards the constitution. Again I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend, yes we have democratic properties but neither country is a democracy.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

[Arcov]

So the people of America don't elect their rulers?
The horrors! We should definitely invade those dictatorial loonies.

You don't know how to read do you, we have democratic properties but we are not democracies.
One is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy.

The US is a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Show me a single definition, other than from you, that contradicts this.