Do you agree with Democracy?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

No. Democracy is a smoke and mirrors construct meant to solidify the status quo and prevent decisive change.


It is a lie and an opiate of the masses.

yeah, it's horrible for the government to be accountable to the people.

Accountability? Don't make me laugh. George Bush killed hundreds of thousands and he is now painting portraits from google images at his ranch.

[AkAr Cydonia]

Democracy? Democracy is rule by the majority, that is a lynch mob.

America and Canada are not democracies and they never will be, America is a constitutional republic and canada is a constitutional monarchy, they have democratic properties but they are not democracies, that is a facade built up by the fourth branch of government which is the mass mainstream media. Learn some history for heavens sake.

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The US and Canada are representative democracies. You are thinking of direct democracy.

Again neither Canada or America are any type of democracy, one is a constitutional republic and one is a constitutional monarchy, neither is a form of democratic government, they only have democratic properties, again learn some history because the fact is neither are a democracy.

[Apparatchikstan]

those continued as problems, but the US after independence had more freedom in the form of self-determination.

Tell that to the slaves, the mothers who lost their sons in wars, the merchants and sailors that suffered heavy taxation. And I would inform you that Britain let the colonies practically govern themselves.

Slavery was an unfortunate sacrifical lamb to unanimity, but our constitution allowed for redress of issues not immediately resolvable after the revolution, and the issue was resolved for the best in the end. Since European example typically had sons dying for the personal glory and avarice of corrupt kings and clergy, I believe our mothers thought their sacrifice better served in fighting against the grain. Pre-sixteenth amendment taxation in the US was infinitely more equatable than the current progressive system, so whatever the burden, the taxpayer was at least represented and assessed more fairly than he would be now, or elsewhere then and now. There's nothing benign about allowing a man to sleep in his own bed.

[Arcov]

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The US and Canada are representative democracies. You are thinking of direct democracy.

Again neither Canada or America are any type of democracy, one is a constitutional republic and one is a constitutional monarchy, neither is a form of democratic government, they only have democratic properties, again learn some history because the fact is neither are a democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Indeed. The country is designed to benefit the big business and lobby groups. They pay the media to distract us with Bieber and Kardashian while we are cheated at every turn. Elections are little more than a contest between two largely identical parties that use social issues to give a facade of debate and conflict.

This is the natural state of any self proclaimed "democracy."

Your a so called "Machiavellian". If you were in charge you would just turn it into a dictatorship that benefits you.

So please, stop pretending you have some kind of moral high ground.

Yes and no. I would make a dictatorship because such a system is the same as democracy (neither are accountable to the people) but at least the former actually gets shit done.

[Arcov]

Your a so called "Machiavellian". If you were in charge you would just turn it into a dictatorship that benefits you.

So please, stop pretending you have some kind of moral high ground.

Yes and no. I would make a dictatorship because such a system is the same as democracy (neither are accountable to the people) but at least the former actually gets shit done.

You would make whatever benefits you, whether that is an Orwellian police state or anarchist federation. Stop pretending you don't have a history here.

[Othelos]

Democracy? Democracy is rule by the majority, that is a lynch mob.

America and Canada are not democracies and they never will be, America is a constitutional republic and canada is a constitutional monarchy, they have democratic properties but they are not democracies, that is a facade built up by the fourth branch of government which is the mass mainstream media. Learn some history for heavens sake.

Indeed. The country is designed to benefit the big business and lobby groups. They pay the media to distract us with Bieber and Kardashian while we are cheated at every turn. Elections are little more than a contest between two largely identical parties that use social issues to give a facade of debate and conflict.

This is the natural state of any self proclaimed "democracy."

Actually, it's just a very cynical view of the American system. Most democracies have different systems for choosing who is allowed into office, which is why there are many parties in other nation's legislatures.

Slavery was allowed before, the UK could not stop the displacement of Native Americans, and was also heavily in debt due to the French and Indian war.

Slavery would no doubty end faster under British Rule, Native peoples would be far better treated under British Rule, and the key to debt is not to create more war, debt and misery. The key to paying off public debt is to pay taxes.

1. Britain didn't outlaw slavery until 1833. Northern states outlawed slavery much earlier than that.
2. The British took over native lands, just like Americans. They would have treated Natives the same.
3. That's the issue, though. It was a war that Americans were forced into, and then forced to pay for. If the US was independent sooner, they wouldn't be paying for the conflicts of people across the ocean.

[AkAr Cydonia]

Again neither Canada or America are any type of democracy, one is a constitutional republic and one is a constitutional monarchy, neither is a form of democratic government, they only have democratic properties, again learn some history because the fact is neither are a democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

[Othelos]

yeah, it's horrible for the government to be accountable to the people.

Accountability? Don't make me laugh. George Bush killed hundreds of thousands and he is now painting portraits from google images at his ranch.

George Bush wasn't accountable to people in the middle east.

[Apparatchikstan]

No. Democracy is a smoke and mirrors construct meant to solidify the status quo and prevent decisive change.


It is a lie and an opiate of the masses.

yeah, it's horrible for the government to be accountable to the people.

A pure democracy would be the last thing to assure this.

[Agritum]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

Ah, that loony "America is not democratic, but a republic" meme again.

[Arcov]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

Repeating what you said before doesn't make you right. If you can't grasp the concept of an election then we're done here.

[Zottistan]

Indeed. The country is designed to benefit the big business and lobby groups. They pay the media to distract us with Bieber and Kardashian while we are cheated at every turn. Elections are little more than a contest between two largely identical parties that use social issues to give a facade of debate and conflict.

This is the natural state of any self proclaimed "democracy."

Your a so called "Machiavellian". If you were in charge you would just turn it into a dictatorship that benefits you.

So please, stop pretending you have some kind of moral high ground.

Probably, but all a dictatorship needs to be great is the right dictator. Just like all a democracy needs to be great is the right general public.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Accountability? Don't make me laugh. George Bush killed hundreds of thousands and he is now painting portraits from google images at his ranch.

George Bush wasn't accountable to people in the middle east.

Fair enough. But what about the 4,000 Americans who died in Iraq

[Othelos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

A republic/constitutional monarchy refers to how a government is structured, whereas democracy is a system of choosing officials. They aren't mutually exclusive. Both Canada and the US are democracies.

[Arcov]

Your a so called "Machiavellian". If you were in charge you would just turn it into a dictatorship that benefits you.

So please, stop pretending you have some kind of moral high ground.

Probably, but all a dictatorship needs to be great is the right dictator. Just like all a democracy needs to be great is the right general public.

The right dictators are few and far between. It is far easier to trust the public than than a dictator.

[Immoren]

No. Democracy is a smoke and mirrors construct meant to solidify the status quo and prevent decisive change.


It is a lie and an opiate of the masses.

Brave New World is at least more palatable than 1984.

Ford is love
Ford is life

[Othelos]

George Bush wasn't accountable to people in the middle east.

Fair enough. But what about the 4,000 Americans who died in Iraq

He started the war with the permission of the people.

[AkAr Cydonia]

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

Repeating what you said before doesn't make you right. If you can't grasp the concept of an election then we're done here.

Apparently you do not understand what I'm saying, I am repeating it because it is a fact of world history, we have elections to elect reps to represent us, yes, but neither country is a democracy.
I don't understand why that is hard to comprehend.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Yes and no. I would make a dictatorship because such a system is the same as democracy (neither are accountable to the people) but at least the former actually gets shit done.

You would make whatever benefits you, whether that is an Orwellian police state or anarchist federation. Stop pretending you don't have a history here.

I have never once advocated for anarchism to be implemented, except within the context of it being confined to isolated and controlled reservations.

[Othelos]

yeah, it's horrible for the government to be accountable to the people.

A pure democracy would be the last thing to assure this.

good thing there aren't any nations that are direct democracies.

[Othelos]

Repeating what you said before doesn't make you right. If you can't grasp the concept of an election then we're done here.

Apparently you do not understand what I'm saying, I am repeating it because it is a fact of world history, we have elections to elect reps to represent us, yes, but neither country is a democracy.
I don't understand why that is hard to comprehend.

because it's wrong.

[Arcov]

Repeating what you said before doesn't make you right. If you can't grasp the concept of an election then we're done here.

Apparently you do not understand what I'm saying, I am repeating it because it is a fact of world history, we have elections to elect reps to represent us, yes, but neither country is a democracy.
I don't understand why that is hard to comprehend.

Because by definition, electing people to represent means the consent of your vote, or the majority vote, is required. That is a democratic.

[Immoren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Why don't you take some of your own advice.

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

If it looks like duck, sounds like duck and acts like duck. It's probably avian dinosaur

[AkAr Cydonia]

You obviously don't know how to read, yes we can elect reps to represent us but again neither Canada or America is a democracy, they have democratic properties they are not democratic nations, one is a constitutional republic and the other is a constitutional monarchy, you need to learn some history.

Ah, that loony "America is not democratic, but a republic" meme again.

So it looney? To know world history, the fact of the matter is America is a republic.