Do you agree with Democracy?

[Republique della France]

I am Basque. I've lived in Spain and France for many years, and all the other people my age when we would discuss politics agreed.

If your age is 7, then perhaps.

I am 21. Those other people were 14-19

[The New Lowlands]

Because he's completely unbiased. Let's compare your anecdote to the mountains of evidence, shall we?

My point is, that my grandfather would not have lied to me.

A) You can't prove that.
B) He didn't necessarily know.

[Arglorand]

If your age is 7, then perhaps.

I am 21. Those other people were 14-19

And I am Perun, destroyer of false kings and god of thunder.

Obviously.

[Shnercropolis]

Any non-American/EU, completely unbiased evidence?

And no, anybody could edit wikipedia... It is not a source.

Yeah, try looking at the ballot. The options were "Stop belonging to Ukraine" and "Start belonging to Russia". Even the Nazis offered two genuinely different options.

Supposedly the other option was to make Crimea an idnependent country. That is a totally unviable position, so they jsut joined Russia.
I really don't think Putin needed to rig those ballots though. They were going to vote for it, but at a much more believable margin.

[Immoren]

I am 21. Those other people were 14-19

And I am Perun, destroyer of false kings and god of thunder.

Obviously.

I believe you.

[Republique della France]

My point is, that my grandfather would not have lied to me.

You shouldn't be so certain. I mean, you aren't going to believe something that has mountains of evidence supporting it simply because your grandfather said it didn't happen? That's ridiculous.

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

[The New Lowlands]

I am 21. Those other people were 14-19

And I am Perun, destroyer of false kings and god of thunder.

Obviously.

All hail!

[Shnercropolis]

You shouldn't be so certain. I mean, you aren't going to believe something that has mountains of evidence supporting it simply because your grandfather said it didn't happen? That's ridiculous.

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

Apparently he did.

[Arglorand]

Yeah, try looking at the ballot. The options were "Stop belonging to Ukraine" and "Start belonging to Russia". Even the Nazis offered two genuinely different options.

Supposedly the other option was to make Crimea an idnependent country. That is a totally unviable position, so they jsut joined Russia.
I really don't think Putin needed to rig those ballots though. They were going to vote for it, but at a much more believable margin.

And, I'd assume, an also more believable turnout than 123% of the residents of Sevastopol.

[Republique della France]

My point is, that my grandfather would not have lied to me.

A) You can't prove that.
B) He didn't necessarily know.

What do you mean?

[Herrebrugh]

"Lowlands"

You must be Dutch?

Listen, pal.

My grandfather (A Frenchmen from Marseilles) served in the SS-Charlemagne, and he told me himself that there was never any holocaust.

Then your grandfather is a liar.

Not necessarily. He could also be very (and quite possibly willfully) ignorant.

[Laerod]

Yeah, try looking at the ballot. The options were "Stop belonging to Ukraine" and "Start belonging to Russia". Even the Nazis offered two genuinely different options.

Sensible people would make their own options, like the dude who wrote "Dutin is a pickhead" all over the ballot.

Nah. See, there's also the campaign of intimidation including violence and murder against dissidents. Combine that with the tendency of pro-Russian voters marking their ballots publicly and dropping them into the transparent ballot boxes without even folding them... That's how you create a sham referendum as pioneered by Goebbels.

[Zeouria]

Direct Democracy is very much feasible nowadays, with our modern technologies. I'm saying, though, heiarchy shouldn't exist anywhere, but rather it should be taken down in places it isn't required and should be voluntary.

[The New Lowlands]

You shouldn't be so certain. I mean, you aren't going to believe something that has mountains of evidence supporting it simply because your grandfather said it didn't happen? That's ridiculous.

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

You think.

I mean, let's consider the facts you've presented here; your grandfather was a supported of the Nazi Party, and a member of the SS.

You think he wouldn't want to deny something that would indicate that everything he fought for was evil?

[Shnercropolis]

Supposedly the other option was to make Crimea an idnependent country. That is a totally unviable position, so they jsut joined Russia.
I really don't think Putin needed to rig those ballots though. They were going to vote for it, but at a much more believable margin.

And, I'd assume, an also more believable turnout than 123% of the residents of Sevastopol.

Supposedly.

[Laerod]

Then your grandfather is a liar.

Not necessarily. He could also be very (and quite possibly willfully) ignorant.

Or a figment of RdF's imagination.

[Republique della France]

Here is a video claiming proof of no holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieE22Apyn0Q

[Othelos]

You shouldn't be so certain. I mean, you aren't going to believe something that has mountains of evidence supporting it simply because your grandfather said it didn't happen? That's ridiculous.

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

He did.

[Scomagia]

You shouldn't be so certain. I mean, you aren't going to believe something that has mountains of evidence supporting it simply because your grandfather said it didn't happen? That's ridiculous.

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

Apparently he did, because The Holocaust empirically happened.

[Arglorand]

And I am Perun, destroyer of false kings and god of thunder.

Obviously.

I believe you.

Good. First ten converts to the cult get deified.

[The New Lowlands]

A) You can't prove that.
B) He didn't necessarily know.

What do you mean?

He either lied to you, or he lied to himself.

[Republique della France]

I was homeschooled by him. He never lied to me.

You think.

I mean, let's consider the facts you've presented here; your grandfather was a supported of the Nazi Party, and a member of the SS.

You think he wouldn't want to deny something that would indicate that everything he fought for was evil?

He fought for the same reason everyone else did. They were afraid Communism/Socialism was going to take over Europe.

[Herrebrugh]

Not necessarily. He could also be very (and quite possibly willfully) ignorant.

Or a figment of RdF's imagination.

Hmm... Yes, possibly.

[Zeouria]

Here is a video claiming proof of no holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieE22Apyn0Q

Ahahahahahahahah. Haha... ha; no.

[Scomagia]

Here is a video claiming proof of no holocaust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieE22Apyn0Q

And here's a video claiming that the Earth is flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY