Do you agree with Democracy?

[Republique della France]

Political repression isn't such a bad thing, as long as its aimed towards communists, socialists, liberals, etc.

From my perspective, of course.

And the Holocaust?

Personally, I don't think I'd be able to condemn people to their death because of their ethnicity/religion.

[The Orson Empire]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

No it's fucking not. There is an enormous amount of evidence that the genocide happen. Are you some sort of Holocaust denier?

[Shnercropolis]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

lolno. Even /pol/ believes the genocide happened.

[Othelos]

what do you mean by that? Economics handles scarcity.


Germany was quite beautiful, until the Hitler started the war, which eventually led to many cities being destroyed. Propaganda is stupid, it leads to misconceptions.

I can't argue with people that for some reason think Hitler started World War II.

...he invaded poland...

[Laerod]

what do you mean by that? Economics handles scarcity.


Germany was quite beautiful, until the Hitler started the war, which eventually led to many cities being destroyed. Propaganda is stupid, it leads to misconceptions.

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

Well, to be fair the Nazis tried very hard to ensure that both of those were outside of the Greater German Reich. They even made a law that stripped Jews of their German citizenship when traveling across the German border to the death camps.

[Scomagia]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

No it isn't. Also, I was waiting for you to say this. You were so neatly tap-dancing around it that I had a strong feeling you would.

[Conscentia]

What fallacy?

Universal Equality, the wisdom of the majority, natural rights....I could go on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

[The Fascist American Empire]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

Tell that to the mass graves that have been found, the Holocaust survivors, and the Nazi officers who admitted to industrialized murder during the Nuremberg Trials.

[Margno]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

No. The genocide is emperically not up for debate.

[Arglorand]

I like to think the question is ridiculous. Of course I do.

[The Orson Empire]

Beautiful aside from the Ghettos and Genocide, of course.

Well, to be fair the Nazis tried very hard to ensure that both of those were outside of the Greater German Reich. They even made a law that stripped Jews of their German citizenship when traveling across the German border to the death camps.

So just because it is outside their nation, it makes it right?

[-pinkie pie-]

Personally, I do not agree with National Democracy.

What I mean by that is, I do not agree that the course of the nation, (foreign policy, trade, military, etc) should be up to mere citizens.

However, I believe direct democracy can only work on a small, local level.

Sort of how the USA has set up its Federalist system, although what I had in mind is substantially different.

I do not agree with a President and Vice President System. I am more in line with the Roman Republican model of a Consul, Proconsul, and a Senate, to guide the national affairs.

The thing is, we meet dumber people than we do smart people, and as cruel as this sounds, it is a reality, and I do not think that with all the stupid people around, it would be safe to entrust the nation to these people, and give them a voice.

This reads like "I'm smarter than everyone else and should get to decide"

Even if there was a good and non corruptible system of determining who is best suited to rule that person will not be doing things that are in everyone's good/best interest. For example, what a rich business person thinks is in the best interest of the people/state will be different than what a poor person thinks, not because one is smarter or more educated or more well informed than the other (though that can also be the case) but because they have different interests.

A poor person can not, and should not trust a rich person to be able to represent their best interests because they don't have the same interests and experiences (thus not the ability to be able to understand the best interest of the poor person and that it may differ and that that may matter) as the rich person.

The people have to have the power to peacefully replace the present government because your definition of what's good for the country is not the same as everyone else's no matter how smart you are and independent of eventual outcomes.

[Laerod]

what do you mean by that? Economics handles scarcity.


Germany was quite beautiful, until the Hitler started the war, which eventually led to many cities being destroyed. Propaganda is stupid, it leads to misconceptions.

I can't argue with people that for some reason think Hitler started World War II.

Oh thank goodness.

[Shnercropolis]

I can't argue with people that for some reason think Hitler started World War II.

...he invaded poland...

and Denmark, France, and Russia.

[Republique della France]

I can't argue with people that for some reason think Hitler started World War II.

...he invaded poland...

He also invaded Czechoslovakia, and not one nation lifted a finger.

The fact is, that Gdansk belonged to Germany, and they had a right to save Germans that were being persecuted by the Poles.

[Shnercropolis]

...he invaded poland...

He also invaded Czechoslovakia, and not one nation lifted a finger.

The fact is, that Gdansk belonged to Germany, and they had a right to save Germans that were being persecuted by the Poles.

are you a troll or something? I find it hard to believe that anyone could believe in this.

[Greater Mackonia]

Universal Equality, the wisdom of the majority, natural rights....I could go on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

I doubt that.

[Republique della France]

The genocide is up for debate as to whether or not it even happened.

No it isn't. Also, I was waiting for you to say this. You were so neatly tap-dancing around it that I had a strong feeling you would.

It's no secret masses of people, especially Europeans do not believe the holocaust happened.

[Celesburg]

I like parliamentary federal democracies.

[Conscentia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

I doubt that.

You doubt the empirically verified phenomenon?

[Washington Resistance Army]

He also invaded Czechoslovakia, and not one nation lifted a finger.

The fact is, that Gdansk belonged to Germany, and they had a right to save Germans that were being persecuted by the Poles.

are you a troll or something? I find it hard to believe that anyone could believe in this.

He already admitted in another thread he doesn't believe any of this shit, just fire the ignore cannon and move on.

[Arglorand]

...he invaded poland...

He also invaded Czechoslovakia, and not one nation lifted a finger.

The fact is, that Gdansk belonged to Germany, and they had a right to save Germans that were being persecuted by the Poles.

Ah yes, the "persecution" argument which is about as based in reality as Korean porn.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I like to think the question is ridiculous. Of course I do.

Then why are you Pro-Ukraine? Crimea held a referendum which stated that the overwhelming majority wanted to be under Russian rule. If you support Democracy, you should support Putin.

[Laerod]

Well, to be fair the Nazis tried very hard to ensure that both of those were outside of the Greater German Reich. They even made a law that stripped Jews of their German citizenship when traveling across the German border to the death camps.

So just because it is outside their nation, it makes it right?

Um, no?

[The New Lowlands]

...he invaded poland...

He also invaded Czechoslovakia, and not one nation lifted a finger.

The fact is, that Gdansk belonged to Germany, and they had a right to save Germans that were being persecuted by the Poles.

You know that that was a bullshit excuse invented out of nothing to justify internally a war of expansion, right?

Democracy has thus far proven to lead to some of the most stable, equitable, and powerful countries on earth. It has a pretty good rap in my book.