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Do you agree with Democracy?

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Do you agree with Democracy?

Yes
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54%
No
105
28%
I believe Alpacas are smug, and prideful
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18%
 
Total votes : 376

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Republique della France
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Do you agree with Democracy?

Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:39 am

Personally, I do not agree with National Democracy.

What I mean by that is, I do not agree that the course of the nation, (foreign policy, trade, military, etc) should be up to mere citizens.

However, I believe direct democracy can only work on a small, local level.

Sort of how the USA has set up its Federalist system, although what I had in mind is substantially different.

I do not agree with a President and Vice President System. I am more in line with the Roman Republican model of a Consul, Proconsul, and a Senate, to guide the national affairs.

The thing is, we meet dumber people than we do smart people, and as cruel as this sounds, it is a reality, and I do not think that with all the stupid people around, it would be safe to entrust the nation to these people, and give them a voice.
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Calimera II
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Calimera II » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:40 am

I believe in democracy and trias politica.

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Postby Venatorium » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:41 am

Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:42 am

Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Democracy with the implementation of the Trias Politica has nothing to do with the statement you made.

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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:43 am

Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Precisely.

However, one must admit that there is no perfect system, and every government type is "the lesser of [how many ever] evils."

Personally, democracy should be limited to local-level councils (direct democracy) while the nation governed by a Senate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXvk2w ... 1410138026

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:43 am

Alpacas. That is all.

Yes I agree with it
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Postby Venatorium » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:43 am

Republique della France wrote:
Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Precisely.

However, one must admit that there is no perfect system, and every government type is "the lesser of [how many ever] evils."

Personally, democracy should be limited to local-level councils (direct democracy) while the nation governed by a Senate.



True, true.
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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:44 am

Calimera II wrote:
Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Democracy with the implementation of the Trias Politica has nothing to do with the statement you made.

This is unrelated to the topic, but as a Spaniard/French/Basque dude, I love Argentina and their quasi-Fascist state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXvk2w ... 1410138026

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:44 am

For the short term maybe, but not as a long-lasting form of government. It's too easily corruptible. As in WAY to easily.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Alpacas. That is all.

Yes I agree with it

Every time I pass by them, (I live in a massive isolated farming community) they always have their chin up at people, and they strut around the farms like they own the place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXvk2w ... 1410138026

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Postby Othelos » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:45 am

ironic that some people are going to vote against democracy
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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:45 am

Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

And what form of government is hard to corrupt and take advantage of, pray tell? Democracy tends to have oversight mechanisms (such as elections) or checks and balances that authoritarian governments lack, meaning they are less susceptible to corruption and nepotism.

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Postby Herargon » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:45 am

Republique della France wrote:Personally, I do not agree with National Democracy.

What I mean by that is, I do not agree that the course of the nation, (foreign policy, trade, military, etc) should be up to mere citizens.

However, I believe direct democracy can only work on a small, local level.

Sort of how the USA has set up its Federalist system, although what I had in mind is substantially different.

I do not agree with a President and Vice President System. I am more in line with the Roman Republican model of a Consul, Proconsul, and a Senate, to guide the national affairs.

The thing is, we meet dumber people than we do smart people, and as cruel as this sounds, it is a reality, and I do not think that with all the stupid people around, it would be safe to entrust the nation to these people, and give them a voice.


25% very smart, 25% smart, 25% not so smart, 25% surely not smart.

I agree with the idea of Democracy, but I also like the idea of an Alpaca as a president.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:45 am

Democracy is great.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:45 am

A Gallocracy is infinitely better.
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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:46 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:For the short term maybe, but not as a long-lasting form of government. It's too easily corruptible. As in WAY to easily.

Yes. Fascism, itself, is also a temporary measure.

Fascism is a radical ideology, and should be implemented in a Republic/Democracy whenever corruption and low morality become rampant.

Fascism for 12-16 years should be enough to purge all of the corruption and fix the moral situation, and can then give birth to a "brain washed" generation that will be responsible enough for democracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXvk2w ... 1410138026

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:46 am

Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.
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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:46 am

Scomagia wrote:
Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.

Have you ever heard of the term "Mobocracy" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXvk2w ... 1410138026

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:47 am

Scomagia wrote:
Venatorium wrote:Seeing that democracy is easy to corrupt and take advantage of, it is among the worst systems of government out there.

Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.


:rofl:

Yeah, tell that to the United Corporations States of America.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:47 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.


:rofl:

Yeah, tell that to the United Corporations States of America.

Ooh! Ooh! I know this fallacy! Cherry-picking statistics!

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:48 am

Republique della France wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.

Have you ever heard of the term "Mobocracy" ?

Hence the use of checks and balances in all modern Democracies. Try again.
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:48 am

Republique della France wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Democracy with the implementation of the Trias Politica has nothing to do with the statement you made.

This is unrelated to the topic, but as a Spaniard/French/Basque dude, I love Argentina and their quasi-Fascist state.


The Trias Politica is totally related to this topic because without Trias Politica a democracy is a quasi-democracy.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:48 am

I don't like democracy. Good ideas are suppressed all the time by the majority. No elected politician can ever rise against the mediocrity of the majority.

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:49 am

Laerod wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
:rofl:

Yeah, tell that to the United Corporations States of America.

Ooh! Ooh! I know this fallacy! Cherry-picking statistics!

More like straight up facts. But sheep never fail to follow the shepherd, even to the slaughterhouse.

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
[quote="Arkandros";p="20014230"]

RIP Eli Waller
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:49 am

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Democracy is one of the least corruptible systems there is.


:rofl:

Yeah, tell that to the United Corporations States of America.

You mean the country that is still run by representatives elected by the public? :roll:
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