Map of the NS world?

[Ballotonia]

Hey guys, just hear me out. I see tons and tons of maps of nations, continents, islands, leagues, so much stuff that makes nationstates like an actual world we're all in.

HOWEVER

Has anyone tried making an entire map of the place? It of course would have to be ginormous, but possibly we'd start with the biggest countries and then add in the other landmasses and stuff as we go? Has this ever been thought of seriously, or am I the only one who's posted a probably unfeasible idea.

Well, NS what do you guys think?

[Forzona]

Bump?

[The Arctic Queendom]

It'd pretty difficult to make a map combining 120,000 nations and 10,000 regions on one drawing...

[Semarland]

Good luck with this.

[Britanania]

World doesn't begin to describe NS.

Try multiverse. They are thousands of versions of Earth alone, not to mention fictional worlds and extraterrestrial worlds.

[District XIV]

It'd pretty difficult to make a map combining 120,000 nations and 10,000 regions on one drawing...

Adding that many (like thousands) of those 120K nations are inactive or puppets.

[Britonisea]

No, there's too many nations. A lot. Over 10,000! Plus, lots of nations are being made and lots ceasing to exist. So, someone that would do this (bonkers plan) will have to be on NS 24/7. Sorting out this. Also, there will be massive disagreement on what nation gets the biggest area. (Is it the most populated? Or most active in NS? A mod?) So, I don't think it would be a great idea.

It will start war.

[The Huskar Social Union]

World doesn't begin to describe NS.

Try multiverse. They are thousands of versions of Earth alone, not to mention fictional worlds and extraterrestrial worlds.

Indeed, my nation alone has its own little world that its on.

There are thousands of worlds/galaxies etc out there, and they keep appearing in greater numbers when more and more people join. It would be impossible to do one large drawing encompassing everything in it.

But if someone managed to do it, they would... they would just be a god basically.

[Forzona]

Good point, guys. This is entirely hypothetical, but if it would happen, I'd think that the space would be INITIALLY judged by the most people, I'd suspect it would chance a ton, but it'd require a practical army of people to do it.

[District XIV]

What a good deal of us are trying to tell you, OP, is that while this idea is cool it's not feasible in any way :/

[Lingang]

It would be better to make one "map" of the NS Multiverse. Obviously, there are multiple different versions of Earth here, and other fantasy continents. You can't portray that on one map, so this is basically impossible.

[Benuty]

Wrong forum.

[Conscentia]

Hey guys, just hear me out. I see tons and tons of maps of nations, continents, islands, leagues, so much stuff that makes nationstates like an actual world we're all in.

HOWEVER

Has anyone tried making an entire map of the place? It of course would have to be ginormous, but possibly we'd start with the biggest countries and then add in the other landmasses and stuff as we go? Has this ever been thought of seriously, or am I the only one who's posted a probably unfeasible idea.

Well, NS what do you guys think?

There are nations here set in alternative Earths and universes, and on different planets. They're also all set in different times.
There are some nations that claim to span across several universes.
Some nations don't even claim a landmass.
Some people, like me, retcon the size, shape, location, and setting of their nations with frequency.

The idea doesn't work.

[Burleson]

It would be impossible but I would like to have something like that.

[True American States]

Why don't they just make a map of my nation and call it quiets?

[District XIV]

Wrong forum.

Flare sent up.

[Cyrisnia]

/sarcasm

[Conscentia]

Why don't they just make a map of my nation and call it quiets?

Because I have an orbital platform and several nuclear weapons, we wouldn't want to make a map of a nation that "disappeared" would we?

Historical purposes.

[Frisbeeteria]

Moved to Technical, where it's just as bad an idea as it was in General.

[Indian Empire]

Hey guys, just hear me out. I see tons and tons of maps of nations, continents, islands, leagues, so much stuff that makes nationstates like an actual world we're all in.

HOWEVER

Has anyone tried making an entire map of the place? It of course would have to be ginormous, but possibly we'd start with the biggest countries and then add in the other landmasses and stuff as we go? Has this ever been thought of seriously, or am I the only one who's posted a probably unfeasible idea.

Well, NS what do you guys think?

Here is my deal. I work on one IF you help find people to claim on it.

-Indian Empire

[Zairoon]

It'd pretty difficult to make a map combining 120,000 nations and 10,000 regions on one drawing...

Quick calculation:
Google says the land area of the world is roughly 149,000,000km².
149,000,000/120,000 = 1242km²
Each nation would have to be roughly half the size of Luxembourg (2,586 km²).

(That's not factoring in how much of the land is habitable.)

[Maltropia]

There was a map of what were considered "major" RPing regions of NS. I don't believe UG still runs that.

[Britonisea]

It'd pretty difficult to make a map combining 120,000 nations and 10,000 regions on one drawing...

Quick calculation:
Google says the land area of the world is roughly 149,000,000km².
149,000,000/120,000 = 1242km²
Each nation would have to be roughly half the size of Luxembourg (2,586 km²).

(That's not factoring in how much of the land is habitable.)

We wouldn't use the World Map. Some countries are bigger than others.

[The Blaatschapen]

Quick calculation:
Google says the land area of the world is roughly 149,000,000km².
149,000,000/120,000 = 1242km²
Each nation would have to be roughly half the size of Luxembourg (2,586 km²).

(That's not factoring in how much of the land is habitable.)

We wouldn't use the World Map. Some counfries are biggsr than others.

Not even to mention that some countries are non-cartesian

[Distortilla]

Click on the Map

On a related note please see the full transcript for an article in TSPs Southern Journal

Why the map is needed
There is a profound disengagement between what is traditionally regarded as Roleplay and Gameplay in Nationstates. Many RPers do not "get"that the interplay between regions is actually a variation of the more orthodox Roleplay: the interaction between "leaders" of the various regions (the delegates, the offsite Government officials, the Guardians etc etc) is actually an intricate framework in which those Gameplayers adopt a role or persona that they act out in the meta game.

Similarly many GPers do not "get" Roleplay they don't understand, or don't want to comply with the "statistical" obsession of say wargames where a RPer has to calculate whether his population etc can support a nuclear powered navy for example.

These facets of the game have developed independently of each other and have, in the past created a friction between the two tribes that identify with each

However both sides have something to offer to each other. Roleplay elements (and authors) could provide "texture" to "real" events in Gameplay, whilst Gamplay could provide the framework of a Roleplay story

Take for example Utopia, series 2 episode 1 . Don't worry you don't have to watch the series, I choose it because it shows how two spheres cam be interwoven

In this episode the fictional storyline has sprinkled in it real events that happened in world history - the murder of a prominent politician by terrorists, the successful election of a Margaret Thatcher, the Three Mile Island meltdown and Britains "winter of discontent" - and wove them into the narrative to flesh out the underlying conspiracy theory that drives the series.

What has this to do with a map of Pacifica?

Well on the proposed map Dragonia (TEP) lies directly west of Novus Niciae (TSP)

What if Morriggan of Rameus (TEP delegate) had to attend a conference in TSP but a volcanic eruption in New Wallaton had grounded all planes/airships between the two regions? The delegate might well chose to travel by ocean liner to the port of Palama provide a setting for a roleplay. Morrigan doesn't have to be a participant in the drama that unfolds, but by mapping out the geophysical relationships between the two Pacifics we have a context for the story.

Or take athletes arriving from TNP for the Interregional games, they may well fly into Farengeto City, being the northernmost major city for the TSP mainland - the whole western seaboard south of Glenavar may have to be put on alert if relations with TRR (which would lie to the Far west) were to worsen for example - the possibilities are endless.

The idea is that by mapping out the geopolitical (Gameplay)world of Pacific and presenting it in this visible (Roleplay) form we are providing a wireframe to hang storylines on and maybe add texture to the metagame

Perhaps barriers between the two can blur and consequently enrich the experience of both.

How the map was devised

One of the prime conditions for portraying the land masses was to use maps that had been generated by the regions themselves. Obviously it would be a mammoth task to include user created region in this project so I made the decision to map only the Feeders and the sinkers.

At the outset only three of the Pacifics had maps available, and these were of varying detail - the globe you see at the time of writing only covers these and is limited to displaying the land masses of each - as and when time allows I hope that a more geopolitical version, and a terrain version may become viable.

The other condition was that the rotation of the sphere should emulate the order in which the regions update according to the NS schedule at the time of the projects inception:

West Pacific
North Pacific
South Pacific
East Pacific
Lazarus
Osiris
The Rejected Realms
The Pacific
Balder

The original idea was to follow this vigorously and place the available maps along the equator , but this would result in a rather linear representation with massive voids in the north and south - alternatively the maps would have stretched along the latitudes producing "bacon strips".

Another thing that became apparent from this cycle was that there was what equated to a 63 degree gap between the update in TEP and Lazarus.

This suggested that it would therefore be logical to create two hemispheres - one including The West, East, South and North Pacifics, and the other containing Lazarus, The Pacific, Osiris, TRR & Balder,

The globe could therefore be interpreted as a "London Underground" style representation rather than a true geographic projection

Dealing with the first hemisphere, the TSP map stipulated that its territory lay south of the equator - following the update slavishly would have meant that TWP (centred on the equator) would be come visible first, followed by a lurch to the north for TNP and then a swing to the South for TSP - both TSP and TNP would end up with gaping voids to the North and South of their regions respectively*.The decision to place TNP to the north of TSP resolved this although again it compromised the "update" parameter slightly.

TWP at the time of inception had no map, therefore the hemisphere cannot yet be completed, It is perhaps an indication of how insignificant Roleplay registers on the priorities of TWP although they have indicated that they are not adverse to the creation of such a map.

For the other hemisphere very little data has been forthcoming, to date only vague maps for Osiris have been procured, and its relation to the other land masses on the "dark side" of the NS world is a matter of some speculation - thematically we could conclude that Osiris is located in the Southern portion, whilst Balder occupies an area in the north, but until further information is forthcoming the distribution of the land masses in the other hemisphere remains shrouded in mist - satellites sent up to survey these areas have mysteriously stopped working once they have left TEP airspace!

**Significant UCRs

Although the project was initially undertaken to map the Feeders/Sinkers there is perhaps scope for significant UCR's to be accommodated. These would probably have to be positioned in the northern or southern voids rather than clustered on the equator,and would have to be placed with acknowledgement to the update cycle, but tectonic plate activity could be suggested as the justification for re-working the present projections. If such any UCR's did qualify and subsequently ceased to exist they could perhaps be subsequently regarded as "Atlantean" in their nature.

Continental Drift

Its is well known that NS periodically goes through a change in the update order - by have unitary maps for each of the GCRs future upheavals should be fairly easy to respond to swiftly, However, it is essential that this data is accessible to facilitate any redraw that is necessary

"Mapping Pacifica" is a daunting task, but it is possible with a little co-operation. If anyone needs any help or is willing to assist please don't hesitate to get in touch with me"