Thoughts on the President

[Burleson]

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.

1) Disproven myth.
2) Elastic clause.
3) Undocumented immigrants cannot receive taxpayer services because you need a social security number to get a drivers license to not only vote, but give proof you are here legally.

1. Not exactly an argument.
2. That doesn't give a president the right to just ignore the Bill of Rights.
3. They receive welfare and their kids go to American schools.

[The Scientific States]

Please, do explain.

He supports gay marriage and abortion so much.

Is that all? Because you disagree with him on two political positions, he's the worst?

[Calimera II]

I like Reagan.

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.

And Obama is pretty much responsible for the Islamic State by retreating from Iraq. If we use your logic.

[The British Galactic Empire]

Obama is a below average leader at best, but it's mostly not his fault.

Yes, he lacks statesmanship and charisma, but most current western leaders do.

He was already in trouble when a significant (and noisy) part of the population is so racist that it would never accept a black president. The coverup for their racism is the whole Obama is a "socialist" and "communist" bit. Communist is code word for "black" in the Republican Party.

Unfortunately, the loony tunes racist american right-wing nutjobs took congress, and that effectively doomed his presidency.

So he is below average, but i don't think any american president could be "good" or "excellent" or even "competent" in the current political environment of DC. Mediocrity seems to be the rule in american politics of today, and the idiots and nutjobs are like an anchor that brings everyone down with them.

Anyway...you wanted independence and republicanism, now enjoy it!

[Benuty]

1) Disproven myth.
2) Elastic clause.
3) Undocumented immigrants cannot receive taxpayer services because you need a social security number to get a drivers license to not only vote, but give proof you are here legally.

1. Not exactly an argument.
2. That doesn't give a president the right to just ignore the Bill of Rights.
3. They receive welfare and their kids go to American schools.

Number three is clearly nonsense except if they were in a holding facility.

[Benuty]

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.

And Obama is pretty much responsible for the Islamic State by retreating from Iraq. If we use your logic.

Because wiping out 30% of a nation is not really that bad *nods*.

[Greater Weselton]

He supports gay marriage and abortion so much.

Is that all? Because you disagree with him on two political positions, he's the worst?

I disagree with him on many more issues.

[Benuty]

https://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/ ... -and-facts

Just because I felt like it.

[The Scientific States]

Is that all? Because you disagree with him on two political positions, he's the worst?

I disagree with him on many more issues.

Okay, explain. And also explain the bad things he's done in office that make him a bad president. It's foolish to judge a leader solely by their political positions. For instance, I think Mandela was a great leader who did wonderful things, but I disagree with his economic positions.

[Calimera II]

And Obama is pretty much responsible for the Islamic State by retreating from Iraq. If we use your logic.

Because wiping out 30% of a nation is not really that bad *nods*.

Did I say that?

Again, with that logic.. = Because leaving Iraq when it is a very instable place, welcoming terrorism is not really that bad *nods*.

[Benuty]

I should note the illegal immigrant welfare queen is a myth propagated due to a misconception in the 80s. Before one of you lot dares to bring it up.

[Murkwood]

Horrible, our worst since Jimmy Carter.

[Benuty]

Because wiping out 30% of a nation is not really that bad *nods*.

Did I say that?

Again, with that logic.. = Because leaving Iraq when it is a very instable place, welcoming terrorism is not really that bad *nods*.

Because using death squads to support right wing dictators, and destroy elected governments is totally cool kids *nods*.

[Communal Ecotopia]

Okay so maybe his job growth promise was good but what explains the amount of debt we're in? Honestly, I feel like my generation WILL be unemployed within ten years or so.
Sure employment has risen but I'm not seeing my generation's future in a good light.

What explains the debt were in? Two failed wars on the back of a disastrous George W. Bush eight years.

[The New Sea Territory]

Pretty average, and not all that awesome, like most presidents.

[Greater Weselton]

I disagree with him on many more issues.

Okay, explain. And also explain the bad things he's done in office that make him a bad president. It's foolish to judge a leader solely by their political positions. For instance, I think Mandela was a great leader who did wonderful things, but I disagree with his economic positions.

I disagree with many of his economic and some of his social views. Obama has tried to force birth control on Christian organizations while in office. He also wants to force everyone to have healthcare against their will. He intervened in Libya and Iraq. He expanded abortion coverage. Those are some of his bad things.

[Calimera II]

Did I say that?

Again, with that logic.. = Because leaving Iraq when it is a very instable place, welcoming terrorism is not really that bad *nods*.

Because using death squads to support right wing dictators, and destroy elected governments is totally cool kids *nods*.

Because leaving Iraq in such instable times, and harming the whole Arabic region and giving room to international terrorism is a good think *nods*

Shall I start about Libya?

[Benuty]

Okay, explain. And also explain the bad things he's done in office that make him a bad president. It's foolish to judge a leader solely by their political positions. For instance, I think Mandela was a great leader who did wonderful things, but I disagree with his economic positions.

I disagree with many of his economic and some of his social views. Obama has tried to force birth control on Christian organizations while in office. He also wants to force everyone to have healthcare against their will. He intervened in Libya and Iraq. He expanded abortion coverage. Those are some of his bad things.

The US has been in Iraq since Bush, hell they had barely left when things which were already sour went farther south because of just how weak, and unpopular the government in Baghdad is. Libya could have gone a lot better especially since it devolved into a civil war.

[The New Sea Territory]

Don't forget Andrew Jackson and Reagan.

I like Reagan.

Then you are disconnected with reality. He's the reason why Al-Qaeda and the Taliban exist, Iran-Contra Scandal nonsense, he preached free markets and stuff but raised taxes, and he would fail the current RNC conservative test. He was a horrible leader, and he didn't do anything to tear down the Soviets besides swoop in at the end as say "TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, Man, it's like, not cool, man."

[Murkwood]

I like Reagan.

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.

Khmer Rouge? Really? We fought against them in multiple operations, like Operation Menu and Operation Freedom Deal.

[The New Sea Territory]

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.

Khmer Rouge? Really? We fought against them in multiple operations, like Operation Menu and Operation Freedom Deal.

We installed Pol Pot, and we did little to stop them. Vietnam came in a finished them off.

[Burleson]

I like Reagan.

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.

Extending the war on drugs is a good thing. Drugs kill people and cause violence and poverty.

[Burleson]

https://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts

Just because I felt like it.

ACLU is not a source.

[Greater Weselton]

Because using death squads to support right wing dictators, and destroy elected governments is totally cool kids *nods*.

Because leaving Iraq in such instable times, and harming the whole Arabic region and giving room to international terrorism is a good think *nods*

Shall I start about Libya?

Go on about Libya.

[Atlanticatia]

Okay, explain. And also explain the bad things he's done in office that make him a bad president. It's foolish to judge a leader solely by their political positions. For instance, I think Mandela was a great leader who did wonderful things, but I disagree with his economic positions.

I disagree with many of his economic and some of his social views. Obama has tried to force birth control on Christian organizations while in office. He also wants to force everyone to have healthcare against their will. He intervened in Libya and Iraq. He expanded abortion coverage. Those are some of his bad things.

You mean he recognized the fact that America is a secular country, and a corporation does not have the right to impose religion on another? He actually exempted some religious organizations from birth control.
And, you mean, he upheld American woman's constitutionally protected right to choose?

If you don't like birth control...you don't need to use that. But that doesn't mean you have to restrict someone else's rights by exempting their corporate employers.
If you don't like abortions...don't get an abortion.