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Burleson
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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:15 pm

Benuty wrote:
Burleson wrote:The way I see it, if you voted for Obama because he's black, you're a racist. If you voted for him for any other reason, you're an idiot.

Or maybe because they were tired of republican faggotry from the last administration thus giving democrats the momentum they wanted.

Faggotry, really... :eyebrow:
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:21 pm

Burleson wrote:He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. He won't stand up to our enemies. He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans. He was essentially a failure as a president and a disgrace to his people.


How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:26 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Burleson wrote:He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. He won't stand up to our enemies. He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans. He was essentially a failure as a president and a disgrace to his people.


How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

Because its better to believe in bigoted myths trotted for years rather than reasonably assessing the situation yourself.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:27 pm

Aodan wrote:A commie. 'Nuff said.

Love that satire.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:28 pm

Aodan wrote:A commie. 'Nuff said.


I'd be willing to merely debate that statement when Obama endorses the idea that all major businesses should be put under common means of production.
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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:31 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Burleson wrote:He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. He won't stand up to our enemies. He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans. He was essentially a failure as a president and a disgrace to his people.


How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:33 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:
How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.

1) Disproven myth.
2) Elastic clause.
3) Undocumented immigrants cannot receive taxpayer services because you need a social security number to get a drivers license to not only vote, but give proof you are here legally.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:33 pm

Burleson wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.

1. I sure don't see anything.
2. Nope, nope, and what?
3. Damn wetba- I mean illegals.
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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:34 pm

Burleson wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.


1) His policies are center, and solidly capitalist.
2) Support for basic gun laws (regardless of whether or not you support them) do not contradict the 2nd amendment.
3) I support letting all non-violent potential taxpayers into the United States.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:34 pm

Burleson wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
How is he a socialist, how doesn't he respect the constitution, and why the hell is treating immigrants with respect a bad thing?

1. Look at his economic policies.
2. 2nd amendment, 10th amendment, and checks and balances for starters.
3. Im fine with treating legal immigrants with respect. But illegal immigrants should not be given services that taxpayers have to pay for.


They're not socialist. You clearly don't know what socialism is. Obama also respects the right to bear arms, and I fail to see how he broke the tenth amendment.

He's not advocating that. He wants a pathway to citizenship for them so they can contribute to the costs of services they use. It's pragmatic and compassionate.
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Postby Calimera II » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:34 pm

The White House wants us to think the stimulus was a success, publishing a report that claims the stimulus “saved or created about 6 million job-years” and “raised the level of GDP by between 2 and 3 percent from late 2009 through mid-2011.”

These seem to be preposterous claims. According to data from the Minneapolis Federal Reserve’s interactive website, the current recovery is the weakest expansion since World War II. And keep in mind that this anemic recovery started in the summer of 2009, right about the same time as the stimulus was beginning. So if the President’s plan was effective, it should be apparent in the growth numbers.

The Obama stimulus failed miserably in doing what it should do: creating jobs and boosting the economy.

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Greater Weselton
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Postby Greater Weselton » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:35 pm

He is the worst president American has ever seen.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Lalaki wrote:Please remain respectful, and don't use mean language.

The 2014 midterms are coming up in the United States. Public opinion seems to be cynical regarding President Barack Obama. I wanted to see how NSG felt about him.

My opinion: I have mixed feelings on Obama. On one hand, I like a lot of his domestic agenda. Advocating for LGBT rights both here and abroad, attempting to fix health care (even in a flawed manner), immigration reform, etc. However, I humbly disagree with him on civil liberties and foreign policy. I would like to see a world where the United States is less interventionist in other countries, instead leading by example.

One thing I always keep in mind when it comes to lack of government action on many issues is the Congress. While Obama is by no means perfect, I feel like he has been unfairly gridlocked by our legislature. I do not make this criticism on a partisan basis, for I would say the same thing of Democrats obstructing a GOP President trying to get a basic budget passed. I honestly feel like things would be better for the nation if the House of Representatives cooperated more with the President. For example, they could try to amend the ACA instead of launching massive repeal campaigns that don't work.

Overall, I'd give the President a B, possibly a C. While not the best, there are other things to consider when judging his performance (Congress!) and results. But one thing I always remember is to respect all Presidents, for they have tough jobs. I disagree with most of George W. Bush's actions as President, but I have great respect for the man himself. And the same thing goes for Obama.


After 6 years in office I can only conclude that President Obama is indeed a person.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:He is the worst president American has ever seen.

Buchanan caused the civil war to happen by letting the states secede without working to intervene in the crisis of secession. So this point of yours is negated.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:He is the worst president American has ever seen.


Please, do explain.
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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:


I would encourage you to look up the following Presidents:

James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:37 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:


I would encourage you to look up the following Presidents:

James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding

Beat you to the first one :P.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:38 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:


I would encourage you to look up the following Presidents:

James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding


Don't forget Andrew Jackson and Reagan.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:38 pm

Aodan wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
I would encourage you to look up the following Presidents:
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding

Obama and George Bush

Because the Trail of Tears, causing the Great Depression to happen, and contributing to the Civil War aren't as bad?
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Postby Calimera II » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:38 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
I would encourage you to look up the following Presidents:

James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding


Don't forget Andrew Jackson and Reagan.


I like Reagan.

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Postby Greater Weselton » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:39 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:He is the worst president American has ever seen.


Please, do explain.

He supports gay marriage and abortion so much.
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Postby Braberbourg » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:39 pm

Obama is a very good puppet president, he keeps America on a leash.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:40 pm

Calimera II wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Don't forget Andrew Jackson and Reagan.


I like Reagan.

Reagan pretty much is responsible for the Khmer Rouge, and death squads not to mention extending the War on Drugs..so no.
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Postby The Arctic Queendom » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:40 pm

The Scientific States wrote:He's alright. I appreciate the fact that he's trying to expand LGBT rights, and that he's trying raise the minimum wage. I feel like his stimulus package has helped our economy bounce back from the recession, but on other issues, I'm disappointed with him.

His foreign policy is lackluster, his record on civil liberties is very mediocre, and he simply refuses to do enough to solve the nation's inequality and healthcare problems.


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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:40 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Please, do explain.

He supports gay marriage and abortion so much.

The Supreme Court in Roe vs Wade made abortion legal bitch at them about it.
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