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Postby Estado Nacional » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:25 pm

This generation's Jimmy Carter, not so much on the economy, but especially on foreign policy.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:41 pm

Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.
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Postby Laerod » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:48 pm

Norstal wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.

Where's the fun in that?

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:05 pm

I absolutely loathe him.
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Postby The United Zones of the West » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:10 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:I absolutely loathe him.

This
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Postby Waideland » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:16 pm

Norstal wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.


Actually, the budget process is initiated by the president. The way it works is that the president is supposed to send a budget to congress, which is reviewed, altered in whatever way it needs to be to get passed, and then sent back to the president to sign. We haven't had a properly submitted and approved budget in nearly a decade now.

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Postby Zelacraux » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:19 pm

Waideland wrote:
Norstal wrote:That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.


Actually, the budget process is initiated by the president. The way it works is that the president is supposed to send a budget to congress, which is reviewed, altered in whatever way it needs to be to get passed, and then sent back to the president to sign. We haven't had a properly submitted and approved budget in nearly a decade now.


So it is the president's fault?

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:21 pm

Supporting LGBT rights and acknoledging atheist Americans is a big plus for me.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:23 pm

Norstal wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.

Political ignorance is sadly a popular thing in the US.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:43 pm

Norstal wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.

Most people do not know how things like budget allocation work (if they even know what that means), and since the president is the leader of the country, they blame him.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:44 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Norstal wrote:That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.

Political ignorance is sadly a popular thing in the US.

This is why the government gets away with fucking us over. People know little about how the government works, and thus cannot do anything about it.

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Postby Alcase » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:48 pm

Skappola wrote:I moderately dislike him. He's a mediocre diplomat who has failed to follow up on his promises. What the US needs right now is a strong leader to send us in one way or the other, whether it be towards austerity measures or increased economic interventionism. It needs a leader who can decisively lead this country and restore consumer confidence. Obama is essentially the opposite of what we need. He flip-flops incessantly and was unable to lead his party to fixing the nation's economy and regaining the respect of its peers. I'm not overly confident that Hillary will be any better.

I believe Congress has a bigger role in doing those things than a single man. If you want a better America, I suggest voting for your own representatives and State senators.
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Postby Zing Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:49 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:I absolutely loathe him.

Care to explain?

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:53 pm

Zing Empire wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I absolutely loathe him.

Care to explain?


NSA, drones, Obamacare, general foreign policy, delay on immigration reform, etc. etc.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:04 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Zing Empire wrote:Care to explain?


NSA, drones, Obamacare, general foreign policy, delay on immigration reform, etc. etc.

Granted. Drones are smart. Is a good thing, is good, it's delayed because of congress.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:07 pm

He is ok, but still one of the worst in history.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:08 pm

Gyrenaica wrote:He is ok, but still one of the worst in history.

You must be pretty ignorant of American presidents to think so.
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Postby AkAr Cydonia » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:15 pm

I love how some people here are all for immigration reform and want the "president" to reform the laws for ILLEGAL HUMANS who cross the border ILLEGALLY, Mexico has a strong stance on immigration for LEGAL HUMANS, what do you think they do to illegals.

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Postby Lalaki » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:16 pm

Norstal wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
Money doesn't rain on me.

That's up to Congress, not the president. Budget allocation is up to Congress, though the president can make recommendations.

Americans really need to stop blaming the president for things Congress do.


Exactly. Much of the political gridlock blamed on Obama actually stems from the House of Representatives.
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Postby The Union of the West » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:58 pm

He's not the worst president, but he's certainly not the best either. If he would have stuck to his principles against NAFTA, the Patriot Act, the wars in the Middle East, etc..., he would have been better. He became a sellout against his principles. I'd rate him at about 6/10.
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Postby Lalaki » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:18 pm

Why are so few Americans voting in the congressional elections? If 80 percent of adults voted, I would predict our political landscape would change. Right now, only 40 percent vote.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:34 am

Lalaki wrote:Why are so few Americans voting in the congressional elections? If 80 percent of adults voted, I would predict our political landscape would change. Right now, only 40 percent vote.


Because sadly the Republicans are not presenting a stark new direction or anything remotely exciting. Their marketing and national appeal strategies have been abysmal since 2010.

Politically Obama would be really, really low hanging fruit at this point. Any Reagan or Eisenhower would even with the disparaging economical differences between the party be able to wipe the floor with him and encourage some national conscientious against the relatively weakly popular, or at least demoralized democratic party now. But there is no Reagan or Eisenhower, and hell, Christie has to lay low and Newt is keeping his eyes on the broadcasting, so there is not a great deal going on other than what the Democrats successfully paint the republicans as granting it even lower appeal. So it is a politically depressed environment overall leading to the low turnout.
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Postby Joan Rangers » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:17 am

His biggest mistake was being Naive and letting his opponents realize and take advantage of it.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:35 am

Joan Rangers wrote:His biggest mistake was being Naive and letting his opponents realize and take advantage of it.

That's it. Don't blame Obama for Obama's faults. Blame the Republicans. Just ignore the fact that from 2008-2010 the Dems controlled both the House and Senate. It's those evil Republicans.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:40 am

Genivaria wrote:
Gyrenaica wrote:He is ok, but still one of the worst in history.

You must be pretty ignorant of American presidents to think so.

Nope. I just dislike his policies. Ok, maybe not the worst.

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