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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:36 pm

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ObamaCare is incredibly similar to the healthcare system that Romney instituted in Massachussets.

Not too similar, really.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Obamac ... Romneycare
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/r ... fferences/
http://spectator.org/articles/36046/oba ... difference


Those articles proved that they really are quite similar. Obamacare has a few slightly different regulations (i.e. provides subsidy up to 400% vs 300% of FPL), and that Obamacare applies to all 50 states, while Romneycare is just one. Obamacare is just Romneycare, but adapted for the whole country with a few small changes. I fail to see any huge difference.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:44 pm

Republique della France wrote:I hate Barack Obama with all my soul, and the rest of them.

Why?

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Postby Republique della France » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:45 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Republique della France wrote:I hate Barack Obama with all my soul, and the rest of them.

Why?

Everything he stands for I detest.
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Postby Jocabia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:30 pm

Republique della France wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Why?

Everything he stands for I detest.

So you don't believe children should stay in school?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:31 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Republique della France wrote:Everything he stands for I detest.

So you don't believe children should stay in school?

Or that Osama should have been captured/killed.
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Postby Jocabia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:32 pm

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Jocabia wrote:So you don't believe children should stay in school?

Or that Osama should have been captured/killed.

Or that owning people should be illegal?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Or that Osama should have been captured/killed.

Or that owning people should be illegal?

Or that people of all races can be president?
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Postby Jocabia » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:39 pm

Galloism wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Or that owning people should be illegal?

Or that people of all races can be president?

Or that all adults should be permitted to vote?
Sgt Toomey wrote:Come to think of it, it would make more sense to hate him for being black. At least its half true..
JJ Place wrote:Sure, the statistics are that a gun is more likely to harm a family member than a criminal

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Postby Arglorand » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:09 am

Galloism wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Or that owning people should be illegal?

Or that people of all races can be president?

RdF doesn't believe that, no. He's a thoroughly gynormous racist.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:12 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Why would the 'Most powerful man on Earth' not go to greater lengths to destroy his political enemies? I suspect it's either because they aren't really his enemies, or he isn't as powerful as he seems to be. Or more likely, both.

He's just being suppressed by the Most powerful Man on the Solar System. Give him time.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:18 am

8/10

He has helped tremendously in aiding the economy, his civil rights is the shit and his foreign policy is great. On top of that, the hilarity that ensues from the conservative viewpoint on him (such as this gem) is great.

However, he is a bit of a pushover in some things. Congress doesn't throw him a bone, I understand, but I just get the feeling he shouldn't have to take their shit. If that means stretching the constitutional rights, so be it.

He's not perfect, but we could have done a lot worse.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:33 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:8/10

He has helped tremendously in aiding the economy, his civil rights is the shit and his foreign policy is great. On top of that, the hilarity that ensues from the conservative viewpoint on him (such as this gem) is great.

However, he is a bit of a pushover in some things. Congress doesn't throw him a bone, I understand, but I just get the feeling he shouldn't have to take their shit. If that means stretching the constitutional rights, so be it.

He's not perfect, but we could have done a lot worse.


It was the slowest economic recovery in American history + his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.

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Postby Laerod » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:45 am

Calimera II wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:8/10

He has helped tremendously in aiding the economy, his civil rights is the shit and his foreign policy is great. On top of that, the hilarity that ensues from the conservative viewpoint on him (such as this gem) is great.

However, he is a bit of a pushover in some things. Congress doesn't throw him a bone, I understand, but I just get the feeling he shouldn't have to take their shit. If that means stretching the constitutional rights, so be it.

He's not perfect, but we could have done a lot worse.


It was the slowest economic recovery in American history +

Citation needed.
his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.

If the tower topples over in a game of Jenga it's silly to blame the last person to remove any pieces and ignore how most of stability was removed by a bunch of other people.

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Postby Calimera II » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:47 am

Laerod wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
It was the slowest economic recovery in American history +

Citation needed.
his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.

If the tower topples over in a game of Jenga it's silly to blame the last person to remove any pieces and ignore how most of stability was removed by a bunch of other people.


Other people? Explain Libya and increased muslim terrorism in Mali and other neighboring countries.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:49 am

Calimera II wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:8/10

He has helped tremendously in aiding the economy, his civil rights is the shit and his foreign policy is great. On top of that, the hilarity that ensues from the conservative viewpoint on him (such as this gem) is great.

However, he is a bit of a pushover in some things. Congress doesn't throw him a bone, I understand, but I just get the feeling he shouldn't have to take their shit. If that means stretching the constitutional rights, so be it.

He's not perfect, but we could have done a lot worse.


It was the slowest economic recovery in American history


Source, also taking into account Congress.

+ his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.

I think you mean Bush's foreign policy destabilized the Middle East.
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Postby Laerod » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:50 am

Calimera II wrote:
Laerod wrote:Citation needed.

If the tower topples over in a game of Jenga it's silly to blame the last person to remove any pieces and ignore how most of stability was removed by a bunch of other people.


Other people? Explain Libya and increased muslim terrorism in Mali and other neighboring countries.

Results of a civil war that was happening regardless of American intervention. There's been a general rise of muslim separatist movements in the region unrelated to (see Boko Haram in Nigeria). To blame Obama for being entirely responsible for all of that is nonsense because it ignores the deteriorating situation that was already present.

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Postby Calimera II » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:57 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Calimera II wrote:It was the slowest economic recovery in American history

Source, also taking into account Congress.

Source: http://www.dailysignal.com/2012/11/04/chart-of-the-week-slowest-economic-recovery-since-the-1960s

+ his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.
New Frenco Empire wrote: I think you mean Bush's foreign policy destabilized the Middle East.


Really? Explain Lybia, Mali and IS.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:58 am

Laerod wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
Other people? Explain Libya and increased muslim terrorism in Mali and other neighboring countries.

Results of a civil war that was happening regardless of American intervention. There's been a general rise of muslim separatist movements in the region unrelated to (see Boko Haram in Nigeria). To blame Obama for being entirely responsible for all of that is nonsense because it ignores the deteriorating situation that was already present.

It isn't because Obama bombing the shit out of Libya and then calling the troops home was irresponsible and destablized Lybia. Now explain Mali. Boko Haram hasn't anything to do with this.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:13 am

Calimera II wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Source, also taking into account Congress.

1. Source: http://www.dailysignal.com/2012/11/04/chart-of-the-week-slowest-economic-recovery-since-the-1960s

+ his foreign policy only destablized the Middle East.


Really? Explain 2. Lybia, 3. Mali and 4. IS.


1. That source is from a conservative think-tank. I'm inclined to dismiss it until I can see it. Which leads me to my next criticism...your link doesn't even work. It just leads to the home page.

However, by the link, the 1960s is not the entirety of American history.

2. As Laerod explained, a civil war that was waging long before American intervention.
3. Again, shitty things that happen in other countries to prompt interventionism is not the fault of Obama.
4. So, the Iraqis turning tail and running, despite being well-equipped to deal with them is his fault as well?
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Postby 72o » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:22 am

Domestically he's ok. His foreign policy is a disaster. Syria couldn't have turned out any worse. He's done far too little to help ukraine militarily. He was slow to react to ISIS. Terrible handling of the NSA spying scandal in germany.

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Postby Laerod » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:29 am

Calimera II wrote:
Laerod wrote:Results of a civil war that was happening regardless of American intervention. There's been a general rise of muslim separatist movements in the region unrelated to (see Boko Haram in Nigeria). To blame Obama for being entirely responsible for all of that is nonsense because it ignores the deteriorating situation that was already present.

It isn't because Obama bombing the shit out of Libya and then calling the troops home was irresponsible and destablized Lybia.

How was Libya stable? And the "troops" were never stationed in Libya. Continued airstrikes were not necessary as Gaddafi was gone and there were effectively no more targets to strike under the UN resolution implementing the No Fly Zone.
Now explain Mali. Boko Haram hasn't anything to do with this.

The rise of muslim extremist movements in the region in question has nothing to do with the rise of muslim extremist movements in the region? Are you joking? Al Qaeada in the Islamic Maghreb ring a bell? The Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa? Boko Haram is allied with those, and they (and their predecessors) existed prior to the Libyan Civil War. The Libyan Civil War and by extension Western intervention may have exacerbated the situation, but you're ignoring that the situation was never stable to begin with.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:34 am

72o wrote:Domestically he's ok. His foreign policy is a disaster. Syria couldn't have turned out any worse. He's done far too little to help ukraine militarily. He was slow to react to ISIS. Terrible handling of the NSA spying scandal in germany.


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Postby Destiny Island » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:44 am

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:01 am

Eh he is alright, had some good moments, some bad.
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Postby Zelacraux » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:24 pm

I wish Obama gave more funding for education because I don't want to be spending tons of money on college. College can't guarantee me a job. In fact, less than 50% of graduates actually get a job after college. And even after college, I might end up going to med school (which obvs costs a lot more).
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