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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:19 pm

Burleson wrote:He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. He won't stand up to our enemies. He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans. He was essentially a failure as a president and a disgrace to his people.


Yes, Obama the Marxist Commie, the one who creates a healthcare system (based off of a proposal from a right-wing think tank) that provides subsidies to people in order to pay for-profit health insurance companies.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:19 pm

Zelacraux wrote:Okay so maybe his job growth promise was good but what explains the amount of debt we're in? Honestly, I feel like my generation WILL be unemployed within ten years or so.
Sure employment has risen but I'm not seeing my generation's future in a good light.

The debt doesn't matter and doesn't affect you. You won't.

Then you're off your rocker, we're economically fine, climate change is your only real issue.
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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:20 pm

Burleson wrote:(1)He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. (2)He won't stand up to our enemies. (3)He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans.


1) No. He is not. The Affordable Care Act is actually a capitalistic approach of fixing health care, a plan that Republicans supported during the Clinton years (and actually got passed in MA under Romney). Plus, universal health care does not correlate with socialism. Canada is more economically free than the United States, yet they have a strong social welfare state.

2) Intervention does not always work. However, he wanted to intervene in Syria, intervened in Libya, continues use of drones, etc. I actually want Obama to intervene less, try to adopt a more peaceful approach.

3) As this is a matter of opinion, let's save this debate for another thread.
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Postby Kranstentistan » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:21 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Burleson wrote:He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. He won't stand up to our enemies. He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans. He was essentially a failure as a president and a disgrace to his people.


Yes, Obama the Marxist Commie, the one who creates a healthcare system that provides subsidies to people in order to pay for-profit health insurance companies.

Do you even know what Socialism is or do you just think about it as "ebul ideology"?

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Postby Apparatchikstan » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:21 pm

I'm bored and ready for the next one.
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Postby Zelacraux » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:22 pm

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:Okay so maybe his job growth promise was good but what explains the amount of debt we're in? Honestly, I feel like my generation WILL be unemployed within ten years or so.
Sure employment has risen but I'm not seeing my generation's future in a good light.

The debt doesn't matter and doesn't affect you. You won't.

Then you're off your rocker, we're economically fine, climate change is your only real issue.


The debt does matter because taxes are getting higher and things that normally didn't have taxes are requiring taxes now. Prices are rising in everything from food to gas to college tuition. Even if we do get jobs, those jobs wouldn't give us enough salary to live well and happily.
True, climate change si also another huge problem. I worry a lot about that also.

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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:25 pm

Zelacraux wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:The debt doesn't matter and doesn't affect you. You won't.

Then you're off your rocker, we're economically fine, climate change is your only real issue.


The debt does matter because taxes are getting higher and things that normally didn't have taxes are requiring taxes now. Prices are rising in everything from food to gas to college tuition. Even if we do get jobs, those jobs wouldn't give us enough salary to live well and happily.
True, climate change si also another huge problem. I worry a lot about that also.


Again, the debt-to-GDP ratio has been higher before in our history. We'll get it taken care of, I try to be optimistic.

When it comes to cost of living increases, I partially agree and disagree. But those are topics for other threads.
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Postby Kranstentistan » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:25 pm

Apparatchikstan wrote:I'm bored and ready for the next one.

I admit while Republican presidents may not makes the brightest decisions (same with Democratic presidents, but I digress), at least they're more fun.

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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:30 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Burleson wrote:(1)He's a socialist with no respect for the Constitution. (2)He won't stand up to our enemies. (3)He isn't doing enough about illegal immigration and he's spending taxpayer money on services for them that should only go to Americans.


1) No. He is not. The Affordable Care Act is actually a capitalistic approach of fixing health care, a plan that Republicans supported during the Clinton years (and actually got passed in MA under Romney). Plus, universal health care does not correlate with socialism. Canada is more economically free than the United States, yet they have a strong social welfare state.

2) Intervention does not always work. However, he wanted to intervene in Syria, intervened in Libya, continues use of drones, etc. I actually want Obama to intervene less, try to adopt a more peaceful approach.

3) As this is a matter of opinion, let's save this debate for another thread.

1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.
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Postby Zelacraux » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:32 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Zelacraux wrote:
The debt does matter because taxes are getting higher and things that normally didn't have taxes are requiring taxes now. Prices are rising in everything from food to gas to college tuition. Even if we do get jobs, those jobs wouldn't give us enough salary to live well and happily.
True, climate change si also another huge problem. I worry a lot about that also.


Again, the debt-to-GDP ratio has been higher before in our history. We'll get it taken care of, I try to be optimistic.

When it comes to cost of living increases, I partially agree and disagree. But those are topics for other threads.


great it's high NOW and even if we're told jobs will increase, we really don't know about the future and I' sure costs of living will increase (as they haven't been decreasing but continuously been increasing).

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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:34 pm

Burleson wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
1) No. He is not. The Affordable Care Act is actually a capitalistic approach of fixing health care, a plan that Republicans supported during the Clinton years (and actually got passed in MA under Romney). Plus, universal health care does not correlate with socialism. Canada is more economically free than the United States, yet they have a strong social welfare state.

2) Intervention does not always work. However, he wanted to intervene in Syria, intervened in Libya, continues use of drones, etc. I actually want Obama to intervene less, try to adopt a more peaceful approach.

3) As this is a matter of opinion, let's save this debate for another thread.

1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.

2. Wrong, war is very rarely the answer and war with Russia is essentially the worst idea I've ever heard.
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Postby True American States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:37 pm

Weak on foreign policy, like without balls weak. If he was tougher on Syria instead of letting Russia get its way maybe the latter wouldn't be in Ukraine right now. Even weaker on ISIS too.

He's also a traitor with the No Due Processes clause under the National Defense Authorization Act he quietly signed on New Years couple of years back.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:37 pm

Burleson wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
1) No. He is not. The Affordable Care Act is actually a capitalistic approach of fixing health care, a plan that Republicans supported during the Clinton years (and actually got passed in MA under Romney). Plus, universal health care does not correlate with socialism. Canada is more economically free than the United States, yet they have a strong social welfare state.

2) Intervention does not always work. However, he wanted to intervene in Syria, intervened in Libya, continues use of drones, etc. I actually want Obama to intervene less, try to adopt a more peaceful approach.

3) As this is a matter of opinion, let's save this debate for another thread.

1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.


What are his socialist tax policies? :lol2:
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Postby Lalaki » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:38 pm

Burleson wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
1) No. He is not. The Affordable Care Act is actually a capitalistic approach of fixing health care, a plan that Republicans supported during the Clinton years (and actually got passed in MA under Romney). Plus, universal health care does not correlate with socialism. Canada is more economically free than the United States, yet they have a strong social welfare state.

2) Intervention does not always work. However, he wanted to intervene in Syria, intervened in Libya, continues use of drones, etc. I actually want Obama to intervene less, try to adopt a more peaceful approach.

3) As this is a matter of opinion, let's save this debate for another thread.

1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.


1) The US tax code is not socialist. When it comes to business regulation, how does he want to take power away?

2) We should not intervene in Ukraine militarily. Now, if the EU/NATO at large was under an immediate threat, maybe. But right now, we should be using diplomacy. Remember, we work with Russia on outer space affairs, among other things.
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Postby Kranstentistan » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:41 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Burleson wrote:1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.


1) The US tax code is not socialist. When it comes to business regulation, how does he want to take power away?

2) We should not intervene in Ukraine militarily. Now, if the EU/NATO at large was under an immediate threat, maybe. But right now, we should be using diplomacy. Remember, we work with Russia on outer space affairs, among other things.

We don't have to send troops to Ukraine you know. Just selling them weapons and supplies will help their odds greatly.

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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:42 pm

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Burleson wrote:1. Obamacare isn't Obama's only economic policy. There's also the socialist tax policies and the fact that he wants to do whatever necessary to take power away from businesses even if it's at the expense of jobs.

2. Diplomacy isn't always the answer. And I was referring more to the Ukraine situation, all he's doing is imposing sanctions when it's our duty to stand up to Russia according to the 1994 treat we signed.

2. Wrong, war is very rarely the answer and war with Russia is essentially the worst idea I've ever heard.

Russia has proved itself to be incompetent with the Cold War. Another war with them would just prove that again. Sometimes war is necessary to protect life or freedom (American Revolution, Civil War, WWII, Desert Storm, Korea, etc.)
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Postby Margno » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:58 pm

He's doing a good job demonstrating to everyone why it's a bad idea to put your hope for change and a future in the political system, so that's good.
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Postby True American States » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:09 pm

Margno wrote:He's doing a good job demonstrating to everyone why it's a bad idea to put your hope for change and a future in the political system, so that's good.


I loved rubbing salt on my friends who actually voted for him. I was shocked tho when they voted for him twice.
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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:11 pm

Margno wrote:He's doing a good job demonstrating to everyone why it's a bad idea to put your hope for change and a future in the political system, so that's good.

^This
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:11 pm

True American States wrote:
Margno wrote:He's doing a good job demonstrating to everyone why it's a bad idea to put your hope for change and a future in the political system, so that's good.


I loved rubbing salt on my friends who actually voted for him. I was shocked tho when they voted for him twice.


It's unlikely we would have been better off under McCain/Palin, or Mitt Romney...
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:12 pm

Barack Obama is about as Socialist as HIV/AIDS was to being a gay cancer.
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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:12 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
True American States wrote:
I loved rubbing salt on my friends who actually voted for him. I was shocked tho when they voted for him twice.


It's unlikely we would have been better off under McCain/Palin, or Mitt Romney...

Things wouldn't be perfect but they sure as hell would be better.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:13 pm

Burleson wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
It's unlikely we would have been better off under McCain/Palin, or Mitt Romney...

Things wouldn't be perfect but they sure as hell would be better.

Source?
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Postby Burleson » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:13 pm

The way I see it, if you voted for Obama because he's black, you're a racist. If you voted for him for any other reason, you're an idiot.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:14 pm

Burleson wrote:The way I see it, if you voted for Obama because he's black, you're a racist. If you voted for him for any other reason, you're an idiot.

Or maybe because they were tired of republican faggotry from the last administration thus giving democrats the momentum they wanted.
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