Favorite Axis Country?

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Well the conversation was pretty amusing, but I figure I'll say something now.

Not every person that was a Nazi and fought for Germany actually believed in Nazism or many of the terrible things it stood for. Many of these people were forced to join the party and the military and in doing so were forced to do some pretty awful things.

[Ruridova]

If I had to pick, Bulgaria, because they refused to hand over their Jews and didn't sent troops to the Eastern Front(for which the king at the time, Boris III, was likely murdered by the Nazis).

[Arcov]

Well the conversation was pretty amusing, but I figure I'll say something now.

Not every person that was a Nazi and fought for Germany actually believed in Nazism or many of the terrible things it stood for. Many of these people were forced to join the party and the military and in doing so were forced to do some pretty awful things.

That does not excuse it.

Your average Wehrmacht soldier might not have done anything wrong, and true, even some of the bad things they did could have been forced.

But the SS were not conscripts, they were volunteer. You did not join the SS as a reluctant conscript. The Waffen-SS is the only one I can think of that had soldiers that didn't commit atrocities, and even then I am probably wrong.

[British Prussia]

Italy because of the food...

[Republique della France]

If I had to pick, Bulgaria, because they refused to hand over their Jews and didn't sent troops to the Eastern Front(for which the king at the time, Boris III, was likely murdered by the Nazis).

Italy was also very reluctant to hand over Jews. Infact the Pope himself tried to hide Jews, if I recall correctly.

[Republique della France]

Italy because of the food...

German food is better, almost masterful if you will

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Well the conversation was pretty amusing, but I figure I'll say something now.

Not every person that was a Nazi and fought for Germany actually believed in Nazism or many of the terrible things it stood for. Many of these people were forced to join the party and the military and in doing so were forced to do some pretty awful things.

That does not excuse it.

Your average Wehrmacht soldier might not have done anything wrong, and true, even some of the bad things they did could have been forced.

But the SS were not conscripts, they were volunteer. You did not join the SS as a reluctant conscript. The Waffen-SS is the only one I can think of that had soldiers that didn't commit atrocities, and even then I am probably wrong.

You didn't have to be a conscript and still not believe in doing some of the nasty things that happened. It is very possible that many of the SS soldiers were simply proud of their country and fought for it. As things progressed they realized the things they had to do were terrible, but it could have been shrugged off as the horrors of war. You have to understand the psychological mindset of Nazi Germany was to literally brainwash their citizens to Nazism. This isn't something we can just blanket blame everyone for.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

If I had to pick, Bulgaria, because they refused to hand over their Jews and didn't sent troops to the Eastern Front(for which the king at the time, Boris III, was likely murdered by the Nazis).

Very true, I have always found Boris III fascinating for this reason.

[British Prussia]

Italy because of the food...

German food is better, almost masterful if you will

German food is fine once in a while, but I can live on an Italian diet
Plus they know how to change sides.

[Czervenika]

Italy because of the food...

German food is better, almost masterful if you will

Italian food is better than German food, but I'm not going to deny that there's some pretty damn delicious German food as well. Having been to Germany I can attest to that .

[Arcov]

That does not excuse it.

Your average Wehrmacht soldier might not have done anything wrong, and true, even some of the bad things they did could have been forced.

But the SS were not conscripts, they were volunteer. You did not join the SS as a reluctant conscript. The Waffen-SS is the only one I can think of that had soldiers that didn't commit atrocities, and even then I am probably wrong.

You didn't have to be a conscript and still not believe in doing some of the nasty things that happened. It is very possible that many of the SS soldiers were simply proud of their country and fought for it. As things progressed they realized the things they had to do were terrible, but it could have been shrugged off as the horrors of war. You have to understand the psychological mindset of Nazi Germany was to literally brainwash their citizens to Nazism. This isn't something we can just blanket blame everyone for.

You should also understand Nazi Germany wasn't like the USSR, it was born and died within a single generation.

The only truly "brainwashed"people were the kids, who didn't fight. Being proud of your country does not mean you should fight for it, right or wrong.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The last several pages by Republique della France are painful to read.

I say that as a history major who saw some of the Nazi Germany stuff in my classes and read Nazi literature like Mein Kampf and other documentation for research into the background of Nazi Germany for a Nuremberg Trials paper.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

You didn't have to be a conscript and still not believe in doing some of the nasty things that happened. It is very possible that many of the SS soldiers were simply proud of their country and fought for it. As things progressed they realized the things they had to do were terrible, but it could have been shrugged off as the horrors of war. You have to understand the psychological mindset of Nazi Germany was to literally brainwash their citizens to Nazism. This isn't something we can just blanket blame everyone for.

You should also understand Nazi Germany wasn't like the USSR, it was born and died within a single generation.

The only truly "brainwashed"people were the kids, who didn't fight. Being proud of your country does not mean you should fight for it, right or wrong.

For some people fighting for their country is exactly how to show they are proud of it. They were also in a perpetual state of war for years where losing would result in the death of many and the high standard of living they had acquired, which is exactly what happened and worse. And yes people can be brainwashed into things at any age, not just children. Ever heard of cults? Just one example in a long line of many.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

The last several pages by Republique della France are painful to read.

I say that as a history major who saw some of the Nazi Germany stuff in my classes and read Nazi literature like Mein Kampf and other documentation for research into the background of Nazi Germany for a Nuremberg Trials paper.

I unfortunately let that go on longer than I should. But his statement about idolizing the Nazi's as some sort of heroes against tides of evil communsits personally insulted me, my family, and the country we originally came from.

[Arcov]

You should also understand Nazi Germany wasn't like the USSR, it was born and died within a single generation.

The only truly "brainwashed"people were the kids, who didn't fight. Being proud of your country does not mean you should fight for it, right or wrong.

For some people fighting for their country is exactly how to show they are proud of it. They were also in a perpetual state of war for years where losing would result in the death of many and the high standard of living they had acquired, which is exactly what happened and worse. And yes people can be brainwashed into things at any age, not just children. Ever heard of cults? Just one example in a long line of many.

I didn't say they couldn't fight for it, I said you shouldn't;t fight for it, right or wrong. Fighting to defend an ideal you believe, or to defend your country, is fine so long as you aren't killing innocents while doing it. But the Nazis fought out of blind nationalism and patriotism.

Sure, some were brainwashed, but you don't excuse cultists who murder. They weren't raised in an environment that condined mass murder, they instead accepted it regardless of the fact that they grew up in a comparatively liberal society.

[United Marxist Nations]

That does not excuse it.

Your average Wehrmacht soldier might not have done anything wrong, and true, even some of the bad things they did could have been forced.

But the SS were not conscripts, they were volunteer. You did not join the SS as a reluctant conscript. The Waffen-SS is the only one I can think of that had soldiers that didn't commit atrocities, and even then I am probably wrong.

You didn't have to be a conscript and still not believe in doing some of the nasty things that happened. It is very possible that many of the SS soldiers were simply proud of their country and fought for it. As things progressed they realized the things they had to do were terrible, but it could have been shrugged off as the horrors of war. You have to understand the psychological mindset of Nazi Germany was to literally brainwash their citizens to Nazism. This isn't something we can just blanket blame everyone for.

The SS weren't just the people who fought, they were the ones who went out and murderend the "untermensch".

[Ruridova]

If I had to pick, Bulgaria, because they refused to hand over their Jews and didn't sent troops to the Eastern Front(for which the king at the time, Boris III, was likely murdered by the Nazis).

Very true, I have always found Boris III fascinating for this reason.

Unfortunately, Bulgaria isn't on the poll as far as I can see.

[Rephesus]

Thailand, Bulgaria and a few other minors should be added.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Thailand, Bulgaria and a few other minors should be added.

Would Manchuria and Mengjiang even count as separate nations from Japan?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The last several pages by Republique della France are painful to read.

I say that as a history major who saw some of the Nazi Germany stuff in my classes and read Nazi literature like Mein Kampf and other documentation for research into the background of Nazi Germany for a Nuremberg Trials paper.

I unfortunately let that go on longer than I should. But his statement about idolizing the Nazi's as some sort of heroes against tides of evil communsits personally insulted me, my family, and the country we originally came from.

I don't get how anyone can idolize the Nazis honestly.

I mean, sure, there's many things of oddity in their uniforms and medals that I have a morbid interest in, and that their history is fascinating if not outright something I'd say every history major needs to go down that alley at least once, because it accurately reflects the worst in all of us and so it's on the top of my considerations of Favorite Axis Country; but idolizing them? I find them disgusting actually; their ideology cannot even be considered an "ideology", more like the ramblings of mad men in charge of people.

It's basically the worst that humanity can pack in one single regime of terror, from their politics to their experiments in concentration camps. The fact there's people who idolize the Nazis is humorous and sad at the same time.

And were your relatives holocaust survivors? Or what were they during the war?

[Estado Nacional]

Italy, even though it was ran by retards. I wish Italo Balbo had ousted Mussolini in the 30's, before Italy joined the Axis. Romania was also pretty cool.

[Rephesus]

Thailand, Bulgaria and a few other minors should be added.

Would Manchuria and Mengjiang even count as separate nations from Japan?

I wouldn't say so, unless you counted each British dominion separately, or Vichy France.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Italy, even though it was ran by retards. I wish Italo Balbo had ousted Mussolini in the 30's, before Italy joined the Axis. Romania was also pretty cool.

That's too kind for Mussolini

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I unfortunately let that go on longer than I should. But his statement about idolizing the Nazi's as some sort of heroes against tides of evil communsits personally insulted me, my family, and the country we originally came from.

I don't get how anyone can idolize the Nazis honestly.

I mean, sure, there's many things of oddity in their uniforms and medals that I have a morbid interest in, and that their history is fascinating if not outright something I'd say every history major needs to go down that alley at least once, because it accurately reflects the worst in all of us and so it's on the top of my considerations of Favorite Axis Country; but idolizing them? I find them disgusting actually; their ideology cannot even be considered an "ideology", more like the ramblings of mad men in charge of people.

It's basically the worst that humanity can pack in one single regime of terror, from their politics to their experiments in concentration camps. The fact there's people who idolize the Nazis is humorous and sad at the same time.

And were your relatives holocaust survivors? Or what were they during the war?

They were forced to flee the country and stayed in England before eventually coming to the states in....43 I think?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Would Manchuria and Mengjiang even count as separate nations from Japan?

I wouldn't say so, unless you counted each British dominion separately, or Vichy France.

I figured as much, however Slovakia is on the list and it was essentially to Germany what Mengjiang and Manchuria were to Japan.