Would you rather live in the Soviet system or the American?

[Questers]

at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism .

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[Freiheit Reich]

American system. Even most people in the Soviet system disliked the Soviet system. East Germany had to build a wall to keep people in their nation. Never a good sign when you have to trap your own non-criminal citizens.

[Arglorand]

at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism .

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Seconded.

I mean, to believe that there was no antisemitism in the USSR is about tantamount to believing there was no capitalism in the US.

[Sejasia]

The American system. I'm all for free healthcare and shit but the KGB scares me.

And the American system I reckon allows freedom of travel, whereas the USSR does not.

[Socialist Tera]

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Seconded.

I mean, to believe that there was no antisemitism in the USSR is about tantamount to believing there was no capitalism in the US.

They would have been gulaged for being antisemitic.

[Rabotnikisoyedinennyye]

American, no doubt.

[Laerod]

American, no doubt. The Soviet part of town was shit, the Franco-Anglo-American one was not.

[Obeyistan]

Soviet System, at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism and I would be guaranteed a job, healthcare and education.

Because Stalin was such a friend to the jews, aight?

[Laerod]

Soviet System, at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism and I would be guaranteed a job, healthcare and education.

Antisemitism and the jobmarket tend to be worst off in the parts of Germany under Soviet dominance than those occupied by the Western Allies.

[Socialist Tera]

Soviet System, at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism and I would be guaranteed a job, healthcare and education.

Because Stalin was such a friend to the jews, aight?

No, not true.
In answer to your inquiry: National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
J. Stalin "Anti-Semitism: Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States" dated January 12, 1931

Soviet System, at least I wouldn't have the threat of antisemitism and I would be guaranteed a job, healthcare and education.

Antisemitism and the jobmarket tend to be worst off in the parts of Germany under Soviet dominance than those occupied by the Western Allies.

Good thing East Germany was it's nation and governed itself.

[Laerod]

Antisemitism and the jobmarket tend to be worst off in the parts of Germany under Soviet dominance than those occupied by the Western Allies.

Good thing East Germany was it's nation and governed itself.

Where'd you get that nonsensical idea?

[Socialist Tera]

Good thing East Germany was it's nation and governed itself.

Where'd you get that nonsensical idea?

Every map I have seen past the cold war had East Germany as a separate entity from the USSR.

[Laerod]

Where'd you get that nonsensical idea?

Every map I have seen past the cold war had East Germany as a separate entity from the USSR.

What kind of stupid argument is this?

[Socialist Tera]

Every map I have seen past the cold war had East Germany as a separate entity from the USSR.

What kind of stupid argument is this?

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR. Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

[Obeyistan]

Because Stalin was such a friend to the jews, aight?

No, not true.
In answer to your inquiry: National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
J. Stalin "Anti-Semitism: Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States" dated January 12, 1931

Uncle Joe wouldn't lie on that, I'm sure.

Trotsky was a jew and a lot of mensheviks were jews. Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and ... ntrop_Pact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

What kind of stupid argument is this?

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR. Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

I am sure you can come up with a source if you're so confident about your claim.

[Socialist Tera]

No, not true.
In answer to your inquiry: National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism. Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism. In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
J. Stalin "Anti-Semitism: Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States" dated January 12, 1931

Uncle Joe wouldn't lie on that, I'm sure.

Trotsky was a jew and a lot of mensheviks were jews. Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and ... ntrop_Pact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR. Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

I am sure you can come up with a source if you're so confident about your claim.

East Germany: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 946890D6CF
Stalin was known to be brutally honest and rude. Lenin said this about him: Stalin is too rude and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest that the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing another man in his stead who in all other respects differs from Comrade Stalin in having only one advantage, namely, that of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky it is not a [minor] detail, but it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.

A man who Lenin described is a type of man who would not lie.

Stalin did not hate Trotsky because Trotsky was a jew. He hated Trotsky because Trotsky was an arrogant asshole who tried to ridicule Stalin's place of birth Georgia. I have read into the Jewish doctor plot and the blame was not Stalin's fault because by that point Stalin was basically a figure head, it was likely done by a minister who was later gulaged, racism is hard to get rid of.

[Laerod]

What kind of stupid argument is this?

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR.

Yugoslavia managed to dissassociate itself from the Soviet Union which is why it never joined the Warsaw Pact. East Germany remained under Soviet Occupation until the day before the Western Allies left West Berlin and received a steady stream of orders from the Soviets. Now East Germany may have been "formally" sovereign starting in 1954, but the "full sovereignty" wasn't granted (on paper, mind you) until 1955 with the annulment of orders by the Soviet Military Administration in Germany and the Soviet Control Commission. Even then, the Treaty on the Stationing of Troops from 1957 granted the Soviets the right to intervene in domestic policy whenever they felt like it, which they'd occasionally do. Mostly for the worst, but sometimes (see Gorbachev in the final days of the SED Regime) for the better.

But regardless of how much influence the Soviets ended up having on East German domestic and thus economic policy, the East Germans explicitely copied the Soviet economic system and in fact were doing better than the Soviets seeing as they didn't have major oil and gas reserves to compensate for a shitty economy. And yet, East Germany is now overrun by Neo-Nazis because the government pretended that only Westerners had a Nazi problem and the place has only recently truly entered economic recovery after about two decades of West Germans paying the Soli for it.

Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

When did I ever claim it was a de jure part of the USSR? And that "aid" bit is mostly bullshit. The only time East Germany got more than it was paying to the Soviets was during Khrushchev's attempt to make the GDR seem appealing by investing in it, so it lasted maybe ten years from the mid-50s to Khrushchev's ouster in 1964.

[Herrebrugh]

What kind of stupid argument is this?

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR. Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

... That's a really terrible argument... According to you, the Kingdom of Holland, a French vassal state headed by Napoleon's brother Lodewijk Napoleon, was completely independent from France simply because it showed up independently on the map...

[Laerod]

You disagree with historical maps and the fact it was autonomous, there was an eastern block but there was not a giant USSR, there were several governments that were part of the eastern block, Yugoslavia and East Germany were both autonomous despite what the west thinks. For some time, some people even consider Cuba and Vietnam, satellite sates of the USSR. Stop with the western lies please. It got aid from USSR and sometimes got ordered about but it was not part of the USSR.

... That's a really terrible argument... According to you, the Kingdom of Holland, a French vassal state headed by Napoleon's brother Lodewijk Napoleon, was completely independent from France simply because it showed up independently on the map...

Wait till you get to the part where they say Stalin would never lie because Lenin apparently said so.

[Butballs]

The soviet economy was most likely the worsr economy. Even look at socialist cuba today. They took soviet-like communism. They're still not recovered by the amounts of economic damage it did. The only reason America's economy sucks, is because the government got involved. Samething with the great depression. I'd personally do better under soviet system, but with all hell support America's.

[Vissegaard]

'murica, sure.

[Obeyistan]

Stalin was known to be brutally honest and rude. Lenin said this about him: Stalin is too rude and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest that the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing another man in his stead who in all other respects differs from Comrade Stalin in having only one advantage, namely, that of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky it is not a [minor] detail, but it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.

A man who Lenin described is a type of man who would not lie.

Stalin did not hate Trotsky because Trotsky was a jew. He hated Trotsky because Trotsky was an arrogant asshole who tried to ridicule Stalin's place of birth Georgia. I have read into the Jewish doctor plot and the blame was not Stalin's fault because by that point Stalin was basically a figure head, it was likely done by a minister who was later gulaged, racism is hard to get rid of.

So, he doesn't lie because Lenin said so. Where's the guarantee that Lenin told the truth?

[Prezelly]

American.
Never liked the socialist ideals