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Would you rather live in the Soviet system or the American?

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Which system would you be doing better under?

I would have a better life in the American system.
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I would have a better life in the Soviet system.
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Would you rather live in the Soviet system or the American?

Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:08 am

This is a bit of a survey, I suppose, not really sure what conclusions I hope to draw from it; anyway, here goes.

As most of you know, I think the USSR had lots of problems (namely its lack of multicandidate elections hampering Proletarian ownership of the state); however, as I read about the Soviet economic system and consider my prospects for the future, I have come to the conclusion that I would do better under a Soviet system than under the American one. For example, in the current economy, I will have to worry about health insurance, paying a large portion of my income for housing, food, electricity, internet, etc. and, given the major I wish to pursue, my employment prospects don't look like they'd be very good, and I doubt that such expenses could be afforded ( or, at the very least, will leave me with nothing of my own.

However, under a Soviet-style system, healthcare is provided by the state, housing is heavily subsidized (along with university education), and one is guaranteed employment (and in the field I wish to pursue, that is a godsend); thus, in such a system, I would have considerably more economic freedom, contrary to what is often said.

So, what system would be best for you, NSG?

You'll have to forgive me if I bail on the thread for a couple hours, as I'm typing this up at lunch.

Important note: this is referring to the system after the completion of industrialization, so probably a system like the Khrushchev era ( only set in modern times, of course).

EDIT ONE: I changed the poll to allow re- voting.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:11 am

Say what you want, at least in America, you can say it.

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Postby Ruridova » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:12 am

Personally, I think my life would be better under the system I presently live in, the American one. Under the Soviet system, I would probably wind up in trouble with the KGB for not toeing the party line.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:12 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Say what you want, at least in America, you can say it.

Pretty sure in the Post-Stalin era criticism wasn't punished.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:12 am

Maybe not the soviet style but definitely not a capitalist country like America

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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:13 am

Ruridova wrote:Personally, I think my life would be better under the system I presently live in, the American one. Under the Soviet system, I would probably wind up in trouble with the KGB for not toeing the party line.

Hows that universal healthcare treating you? Oh wait...

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:13 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Say what you want, at least in America, you can say it.

Pretty sure in the Post-Stalin era criticism wasn't punished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union

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Postby Zoboyizakoplayoklot » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:13 am

Well, despite being a leftist, life would most likely be better under the American system then the Soviet system.

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Postby Avenio » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:14 am

American. I wouldn't want to be trapped in the 80's forever. That's about as close to Hell as you can get.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:14 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Pretty sure in the Post-Stalin era criticism wasn't punished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union

Can you give examples from that era from that article about people being punished for criticism?
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Postby Couasia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:15 am

The inconvenient truth of the Soviet system is that it only works in small, self-policing groups of people. It does not account for humanity.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:15 am

Avenio wrote:American. I wouldn't want to be trapped in the 80's forever. That's about as close to Hell as you can get.

See the last part; I said "in modern times", so, not within the time frame in which both existed.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:16 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Say what you want, at least in America, you can say it.

Pretty sure in the Post-Stalin era criticism wasn't punished.


Seriously? Have you not heard of any of the dissidents from the post-Stalin era?
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Postby Avenio » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:17 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Avenio wrote:American. I wouldn't want to be trapped in the 80's forever. That's about as close to Hell as you can get.

See the last part; I said "in modern times", so, not within the time frame in which both existed.


Nobody knows what the Soviet Union would look like in modern times. The USSR kicked the bucket a little under 30 years ago, after all. A lot's changed since then.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:18 am

Avenio wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:See the last part; I said "in modern times", so, not within the time frame in which both existed.


Nobody knows what the Soviet Union would look like in modern times. The USSR kicked the bucket a little under 30 years ago, after all. A lot's changed since then.

It would probably have many of the same amenities as now, such as internet (that would be a big one).
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Postby Communal Ecotopia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:18 am

Nope, even as a committed leftist, my life is better in the States. Europe might be even better, but you didn't ask that.
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Postby Couasia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:19 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Seriously? Have you not heard of any of the dissidents from the post-Stalin era?

Personal experience here: father fled from Czechoslovakia to America partly because his family were political dissidents, and were almost apprehended by the StB.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:19 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Pretty sure in the Post-Stalin era criticism wasn't punished.


Seriously? Have you not heard of any of the dissidents from the post-Stalin era?

Perhaps I should be more specific: the Khrushchev social policies, or hell, maybe even Glasnost.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:20 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Can you give examples from that era from that article about people being punished for criticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Fenexia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:21 am

Calisu wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Personally, I think my life would be better under the system I presently live in, the American one. Under the Soviet system, I would probably wind up in trouble with the KGB for not toeing the party line.

Hows that universal healthcare treating you? Oh wait...

pretty well considering I can afford private healthcare.

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Postby WestRedMaple » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:21 am

Well, given that I would have no interest being a Soviet-style ruler, life would definitely be better under American system

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Postby Valkalan » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:21 am

Do I want a modicum of freedom with the opportunity to enrich myself or do I want to be repressed and starving? Let me think. Obviously, the American system is by far the more palatable. And seeing as how I do in fact live in the US, I know for a fact that the problems exist within the US system are easily manageable.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:22 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Can you give examples from that era from that article about people being punished for criticism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

Imprisoned during the Stalin era. In fact, it says that hi sentence ended the month Stalin died.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:24 am

There should be a neither option.

Both are extreme bastardizations of relatively decent economic systems, due to authoritarianism and corruption.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:24 am

Valkalan wrote:Do I want a modicum of freedom with the opportunity to enrich myself or do I want to be repressed and starving? Let me think. Obviously, the American system is by far the more palatable. And seeing as how I do in fact live in the US, I know for a fact that the problems exist within the US system are easily manageable.

Find one famine the USSR experienced following the end if the War famine of '48 (called that because it was caused by war damage).
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