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Which Pantheon would you follow?

Hellenism (Greco-Roman)
72
28%
Romuva (Baltic)
10
4%
Norse (Scandinavian)
54
21%
Slavic (Russian/Eastern European)
17
7%
Druidic (Celtic)
53
21%
Tengri (Mongolian/Turkic/Hungarian)
11
4%
Zalmoxism (Dacian)
2
1%
Germanic (Germany)
21
8%
Egyptian (Egypt)
16
6%
 
Total votes : 256

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Kalifati Arab shqiptar
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:02 am

have you even heard of pelasgians?

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Rovanpera
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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:03 am

Calisu wrote:
Rovanpera wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen; let's not turn this into a war between Pagans and Atheists, now... Our mutual enemy is Christianity/Islam, after all.

No our enemy would be Judaism and Islam as Christianity is a jewish cult at the time.


True; and without such, the other two wouldn't even exist...

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Postby Imperialisium » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:04 am

Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.
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Calisu
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:05 am

Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Source on evidence Ice Giants were real.

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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:05 am

Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.


:p And I know, and apologize for the usage of the term... We must find another with which to describe the Old Ways in general; as the Christian term is... well, Christian. :/

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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:06 am

Calisu wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Source on evidence Ice Giants were real.


T'was a joke...

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:06 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:At no point have I refused to answer the question of the thread. In fact, my very first post was a direct and concise answer to the question.

Your first post merely stated your present-day, real life scenario opinion on the matter of pagan faiths. Pretty much a cop-out.

The removal of christianity from the equation does not change the fact that there is no rational reason to believe in any deity, so no, not at all a cop-out.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:06 am

Calisu wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Source on evidence Ice Giants were real.


It went right over your head huh?
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Southern Babylonia
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:06 am

Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:08 am

I might be living in a Stanford torus or O'Neil Cylinder orbiting one of Alpha Centauri's star, ad those don't have (As far as I know) havea general religion However, given that I'm mostly German, I would probably be a Germanic pagan (IIRC this is very similar to Norse paganism), though maybe with some Celtic influences mixed in, due to my heritage. Admittedly, however, I would take issues with saying "One Nation under the Gods" in the Pledge of Allegiance, though I think it would be more likely that I would be living in a space habitat orbiting one of Alpha Centauri's stars.
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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:08 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...


From this perspective; it would be better to embrace our difference from the norm in terms of modern day beliefs. Christianity/Islam alike are both repulsive and violent, and Atheism is overrated...

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:09 am

I would follow the Cult of Kefka.

And I would be praying for the return of God Kefka so that I may rule as one of his acolytes...

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Southern Babylonia
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:09 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Your first post merely stated your present-day, real life scenario opinion on the matter of pagan faiths. Pretty much a cop-out.

The removal of christianity from the equation does not change the fact that there is no rational reason to believe in any deity, so no, not at all a cop-out.

It's still a cop-out from the question at hand, since we can assume that within the parameters of this hypothetical scenario are the factors that would make it work and merit a direct response.
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Neh: Corporatocracy, neoliberalism, Maoism, bigotry, evangelism, militant anti-theism, fascism, pollution, Netanyahu, Hamas, tar sands, monoculturalism.
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Calisu
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 am

Rovanpera wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...


From this perspective; it would be better to embrace our difference from the norm in terms of modern day beliefs. Christianity/Islam alike are both repulsive and violent, and Atheism is overrated...

How is science overrated?
"Oh 2+2=4 is waaaaay to mainstream for me.'

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'm not dodging the question. The answer was implied: I don't know.

I think you have some notion, given what you probably know of your ancestry and, as I said, the parameters necessary for this hypothetical to function. At this point, I think you just have an issue with answering the question because you don't like to picture yourself worshipping any deity.

Firstly, the OP provides no such parameters.
Secondly, the environment is necessarily altered beyond recognition. I have no idea how history would have played out in this hypothetical universe. Humans are very strongly influenced by their environment. Even if you are making the assumption that a meatbag with a genome similar to mine within an acceptable margin of difference is to be considered a "parallel me", I have no idea what that "parallel me" would believe as I have no idea as to what world he/I grew up in. I could have become a man of science anyway, or maybe I'd worship the gods of my ancestors. Maybe my family would have adopted foreign gods. Perhaps after examining the world's religions I'd have found myself drawn to Hinduism, or the Egyptian gods. I don't know.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 am

Rovanpera wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...


From this perspective; it would be better to embrace our difference from the norm in terms of modern day beliefs. Christianity/Islam alike are both repulsive and violent, and Atheism is overrated...

Rovanpera wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen; let's not turn this into a war between Pagans and Atheists, now... Our mutual enemy is Christianity/Islam, after all.
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Postby Regenburg » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 am

paganism is pretty cool
i like baltic-slavic and norse/german ones
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:10 am

Calisu wrote:
Rovanpera wrote:
From this perspective; it would be better to embrace our difference from the norm in terms of modern day beliefs. Christianity/Islam alike are both repulsive and violent, and Atheism is overrated...

How is science overrated?
"Oh 2+2=4 is waaaaay to mainstream for me.'


Ffs Atheism =/= Science. We don't have a copyright on science.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:11 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:The removal of christianity from the equation does not change the fact that there is no rational reason to believe in any deity, so no, not at all a cop-out.

It's still a cop-out from the question at hand, since we can assume that within the parameters of this hypothetical scenario are the factors that would make it work and merit a direct response.

>Implying Greek and Roman scientists would never come to the come to the conclusion that the idea of a deity is ridiculous

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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:11 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would follow the Cult of Kefka.

And I would be praying for the return of God Kefka so that I may rule as one of his acolytes...

Sorry but there have to be multiple gods.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:11 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:The removal of christianity from the equation does not change the fact that there is no rational reason to believe in any deity, so no, not at all a cop-out.

It's still a cop-out from the question at hand, since we can assume that within the parameters of this hypothetical scenario are the factors that would make it work and merit a direct response.

"There is no rational reason to believe in any deity" is a direct response.
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:11 am

Rovanpera wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...


From this perspective; it would be better to embrace our difference from the norm in terms of modern day beliefs. Christianity/Islam alike are both repulsive and violent, and Atheism is overrated...

We could. Honestly, terminology is of little importance to me, since it changes over time anyway.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:12 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Calisu wrote:How is science overrated?
"Oh 2+2=4 is waaaaay to mainstream for me.'


Ffs Atheism =/= Science. We don't have a copyright on science.

Science disproves deities and magic how exactly does Atheism not use science?

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Postby Imperialisium » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:12 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...


Nowadays yes, well not all. For example followers of the Germanic Religion would refer to themselves as Asatruar instead of Pagan or Heathen.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:12 am

Calisu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ffs Atheism =/= Science. We don't have a copyright on science.

Science disproves deities and magic how exactly does Atheism not use science?


Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.
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