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Which Pantheon would you follow?

Hellenism (Greco-Roman)
72
28%
Romuva (Baltic)
10
4%
Norse (Scandinavian)
54
21%
Slavic (Russian/Eastern European)
17
7%
Druidic (Celtic)
53
21%
Tengri (Mongolian/Turkic/Hungarian)
11
4%
Zalmoxism (Dacian)
2
1%
Germanic (Germany)
21
8%
Egyptian (Egypt)
16
6%
 
Total votes : 256

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Postby The United Communist Solar Republic » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:49 am

Olivaero wrote:
The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
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Amirite or amirite?

"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some phony God's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence."

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The collapse of the roman empire still happened in this scenario... There would still be a dark age, just not a "Christian" one.


No, I'm responding to his "2014 science would most likely be much more advanced due to the lack of christianity interfering with it" statement with scientific evidence of he evils of cHRISIANITY and gOD.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:49 am

Rovanpera wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:"I wouldn't worship any of them" is a perfectly valid response to the question of "Which pantheon would you worship".


If I wanted that opinion, I would have posted the option up in the poll. Though I get the feeling since few people have any deep understanding of these religions (Except some of the more obvious ones, like Hellenism and Norse); I'm not surprised you'd advocate Atheism. Not that I mind, mind; it's just not what I asked and not what I want to hear. This is for fun, friend; to see how many understand the religions and how obscure some are to people. For example; I'm honestly surprised one other person knows what Zalmoxism is. :p

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:49 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:It is unclear how these cults would evolve over the centuries, and whether they'd have persisted to the modern day.
History would be completely different, so it's not even clear that any individual that could be considered a "parallel me" would even exist.

Well, given the implied parameters for the scenario to work, which you should assume are in place, apparently the "cults" have survived in forms similar to their past ones. As to the "parallel you", that's an obvious point. Again, we should assume you DO exist. Why do you all want to dodge the question so badly?

I'm not dodging the question. The answer was implied: I don't know.

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Postby Ahvulon » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:50 am

Calisu wrote:
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Science does not disprove God, and magic is simply science that is not understood.

That being said, since I am of British, German AND Irish heritage... I'm not sure.... Since I live in the USA, I may follow the Native spiritual beliefs...

Show me scientific evidence of gods existence and how is the belief in "auras" science?


Other than experiences that 'science' denies possible (me being born, for one, according to doctors, neither me nor my sister should be here), there is none. It's hard to prove something that lies at the very foundation of everything. As for 'auras', like I said, magic is science that we do not yet understand. Also, many 'aura-readers' have been proven fake.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Calisu wrote:Show me scientific evidence of gods existence and how is the belief in "auras" science?


Just because we don't have evidence of something doesn't mean it's not real. For the majority of human history we didn't know cells existed, but they still did. You are making the claim that science has disproven gods, so show your evidence that it has. Speaking all of this as an atheist.

We also have no evidence of unicorns not living on the moon, should we also believe in them?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:51 am

Calisu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just because we don't have evidence of something doesn't mean it's not real. For the majority of human history we didn't know cells existed, but they still did. You are making the claim that science has disproven gods, so show your evidence that it has. Speaking all of this as an atheist.

We also have no evidence of unicorns not living on the moon, should we also believe in them?


We've been to the moon, no unicorns there. So nope.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Calisu wrote:My answer in "I would not follow any because by 2014 science would most likely be much more advanced due to the lack of christianity interfering with it."


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Possibly one of the most idiotic graphs ever.

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Postby Ahvulon » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am

Calisu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Just because we don't have evidence of something doesn't mean it's not real. For the majority of human history we didn't know cells existed, but they still did. You are making the claim that science has disproven gods, so show your evidence that it has. Speaking all of this as an atheist.

We also have no evidence of unicorns not living on the moon, should we also believe in them?


We've been to the moon, they would've seen the unicorns.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Olivaero wrote:The collapse of the roman empire still happened in this scenario... There would still be a dark age, just not a "Christian" one.


No, I'm responding to his "2014 science would most likely be much more advanced due to the lack of christianity interfering with it" statement with scientific evidence of he evils of cHRISIANITY and gOD.

Source on Celts, Romans and Greek religions oppressing science.

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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am

Conscentia wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Well, given the implied parameters for the scenario to work, which you should assume are in place, apparently the "cults" have survived in forms similar to their past ones. As to the "parallel you", that's an obvious point. Again, we should assume you DO exist. Why do you all want to dodge the question so badly?

I'm not dodging the question. The answer was implied: I don't know.

I think you have some notion, given what you probably know of your ancestry and, as I said, the parameters necessary for this hypothetical to function. At this point, I think you just have an issue with answering the question because you don't like to picture yourself worshipping any deity.
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Postby Olivaero » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:53 am

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Olivaero wrote:The collapse of the roman empire still happened in this scenario... There would still be a dark age, just not a "Christian" one.


No, I'm responding to his "2014 science would most likely be much more advanced due to the lack of christianity interfering with it" statement with scientific evidence of he evils of cHRISIANITY and gOD.

Ah yeah I see never mind.
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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:53 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Rovanpera wrote:
If I wanted that opinion, I would have posted the option up in the poll. Though I get the feeling since few people have any deep understanding of these religions (Except some of the more obvious ones, like Hellenism and Norse); I'm not surprised you'd advocate Atheism. Not that I mind, mind; it's just not what I asked and not what I want to hear. This is for fun, friend; to see how many understand the religions and how obscure some are to people. For example; I'm honestly surprised one other person knows what Zalmoxism is. :p

Whether you want the opinion or not, there are going to be people who hold that opinion, making the part in blue immaterial.


Fair enough, I suppose. People have the opinions they'll have, based upon their understanding of and passion towards a subject, among other things. On that note, however; I'll take answers pertaining to atheism as a lack of understanding of the subject materiel, to any degree. This isn't to diminish anyone's intelligence, it's just a sign that few can differentiate between the horribly corrupt Christian/Muslim churches and how very differently traditional faiths operated from what we modern peoples associate with Religion.

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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:54 am

Ahvulon wrote:
Calisu wrote:We also have no evidence of unicorns not living on the moon, should we also believe in them?


1.We've been to the moon, 2.they would've seen the unicorns.

1. No we haven't
2. I live in Canada, I've never met someone from South Africa.

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Postby Ahmedistan » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:54 am

Probably Hellenism since I'm partly Greek. It also seems the most "civilised" of all the pagan faiths.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:54 am

Ahvulon wrote:
Calisu wrote:Show me scientific evidence of gods existence and how is the belief in "auras" science?


Other than experiences that 'science' denies possible (me being born, for one, according to doctors, neither me nor my sister should be here)1, there is none. It's hard to prove something that lies at the very foundation of everything2. As for 'auras', like I said, magic is science that we do not yet understand.3 Also, many 'aura-readers' have been proven fake.

1: Uh-huh. What scientific principles did your birth violate?
2: Oddly enough, physicists are managing just fine on that front...
3: What a pathetic cop-out.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:56 am

Ahvulon wrote:
Calisu wrote:We also have no evidence of unicorns not living on the moon, should we also believe in them?


We've been to the moon, they would've seen the unicorns.

Unless the unicorns were not native to the small part of the moon that we visited...
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Postby The United Communist Solar Republic » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:57 am

Calisu wrote:
The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
No, I'm responding to his "2014 science would most likely be much more advanced due to the lack of christianity interfering with it" statement with scientific evidence of he evils of cHRISIANITY and gOD.

Source on Celts, Romans and Greek religions oppressing science.


Of course the Celts, Romans, and Greek oppressed science and euphoric enlightenment. I mean Socrates died for this shit.

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Postby Ahvulon » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:57 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Ahvulon wrote:
Other than experiences that 'science' denies possible (me being born, for one, according to doctors, neither me nor my sister should be here)1, there is none. It's hard to prove something that lies at the very foundation of everything2. As for 'auras', like I said, magic is science that we do not yet understand.3 Also, many 'aura-readers' have been proven fake.

1: Uh-huh. What scientific principles did your birth violate?
2: Oddly enough, physicists are managing just fine on that front...
3: What a pathetic cop-out.


1. It was a medical matter with our mother.
2. Which means they're simply getting closer to finding God.
3. You may have missed that last part about people claiming to see auras have been proven as fakes.
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:59 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Ahvulon wrote:
Other than experiences that 'science' denies possible (me being born, for one, according to doctors, neither me nor my sister should be here)1, there is none. It's hard to prove something that lies at the very foundation of everything2. As for 'auras', like I said, magic is science that we do not yet understand.3 Also, many 'aura-readers' have been proven fake.

1: Uh-huh. What scientific principles did your birth violate?
2: Oddly enough, physicists are managing just fine on that front...
3: What a pathetic cop-out.

Pathetic cop-out? Ironic, considering that you're refusing to answer the question of the thread.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:00 am

Ahvulon wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1: Uh-huh. What scientific principles did your birth violate?
2: Oddly enough, physicists are managing just fine on that front...
3: What a pathetic cop-out.


1. It was a medical matter with our mother.
2. Which means they're simply getting closer to finding God.
3. You may have missed that last part about people claiming to see auras have been proven as fakes.

1: So, none.
2: Assuming there is one (or more), which is a huge (and baseless) assumption.
3: Still a pathetic cop-out.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:00 am

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Calisu wrote:Source on Celts, Romans and Greek religions oppressing science.


Of course the Celts, Romans, and Greek oppressed science and euphoric enlightenment. I mean Socrates died for this shit.

Socrates was anti-democracy which is why he was tried.

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Postby Rovanpera » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:00 am

Ladies and Gentlemen; let's not turn this into a war between Pagans and Atheists, now... Our mutual enemy is Christianity/Islam, after all.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:01 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1: Uh-huh. What scientific principles did your birth violate?
2: Oddly enough, physicists are managing just fine on that front...
3: What a pathetic cop-out.

Pathetic cop-out? Ironic, considering that you're refusing to answer the question of the thread.

At no point have I refused to answer the question of the thread. In fact, my very first post was a direct and concise answer to the question.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:02 am

Rovanpera wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen; let's not turn this into a war between Pagans and Atheists, now... Our mutual enemy is Christianity/Islam, after all.

No our enemy would be Judaism and Islam as Christianity is a jewish cult at the time.

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Postby Southern Babylonia » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:02 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:Pathetic cop-out? Ironic, considering that you're refusing to answer the question of the thread.

At no point have I refused to answer the question of the thread. In fact, my very first post was a direct and concise answer to the question.

Your first post merely stated your present-day, real life scenario opinion on the matter of pagan faiths. Pretty much a cop-out.
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