"Paganism"; which faith would you follow?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Although I do find the term Pagan as offensive (which it is, on the same line as Heathen) I would have to say either Germanic or Norse. Jesus was nailed to a Cross, Thor had a Hammer; Jesus promised the end of Sinners, Thor promised to slay all the ice giants...I don't see any ice giants.

Well I as a religion researcher (my religion is Islam) thinks that Islam and Christianity are almost the same religion. If you are educated enough there are some theories that Jesus was a prophet of Islam but than his friends betrayed him and took his glory, creating a religion based on him, just like Stalin did with Lenin. The main enemy of every religion is Judaism, and that is said in many old transcripts. The play and make other religions fight with each other, just like they did when christians and muslims fight. In the hole history of earth there was only one time the hebrew were in perish, the time were Adolf was in charge, the hole other part was muslim and christian population fighting for nothing

[Cetatsenia]

Since I'm in America (and assuming it was colonized by England in this hypothetical world), it'd probably be the Germanic paganism.

[Calisu]

Science disproves deities and magic how exactly does Atheism not use science?

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

[Regenburg]

Romuva, virtually inescapably.

For fear of being sacrificed to Perkūnas if nothing else.

romuvans and slavic pagans shall cooperate more so we can worship per(k)un(as) and vel(n)es together

[Southern Babylonia]

It's still a cop-out from the question at hand, since we can assume that within the parameters of this hypothetical scenario are the factors that would make it work and merit a direct response.

"There is no rational reason to believe in any deity" is a direct response.

To re-iterate what I told someone else, that's easy for present-day you to say, but we're talking about an alternate version of you. Let's assume that within this hypothetical world, you are either reared deeply in the ways of one of these pagan faiths, or socially expected, or, if you really want to push it, forced, to choose one. Now what would you answer?

[Conscentia]

I would follow the Cult of Kefka.
And I would be praying for the return of God Kefka so that I may rule as one of his acolytes...

Sorry but there have to be multiple gods.

No there don't. Zoroastrianism would still exist. Manicheanism might have survived. Judaism is not eliminated by this scenario. The scenario states that Islam still exists, it just got stuck in Arabia.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

Do you have a source or not? I already went over why not having evidence =/= something isn't true.

[Imperialisium]

Science disproves deities and magic how exactly does Atheism not use science?

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Source how religion proves deities exists? See what I did there.

Though Science has disproved MANY things religions do or did postulate at one point, both sides cannot yet undermine the other 100%.

For example I'm Atheist out of choice, and I can disprove many things both literal and historically religions say happened or is true. But I cannot 100% defeat the argument of their being higher powers, and nor can religious people tell me with 100% facts beyond their own volition that deities exist.

Its a brick wall of an argument.

[Dyakovo]

Science disproves deities and magic how exactly does Atheism not use science?

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Not my claim, but okay.

[Southern Babylonia]

Both Pagans and Heathens use the terms you mentioned. I don't see why it should be considered offensive in this day and age.
In fact...

Nowadays yes, well not all. For example followers of the Germanic Religion would refer to themselves as Asatruar instead of Pagan or Heathen.

Asatruar is a term used only by some, and those who do use it, in my experience, use it mostly interchangeably with the others.

[Conscentia]

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

Do you have a source or not? I already went over why not having evidence =/= something isn't true.

But it does = an absence of reason to believe that something is true.
Science rejects hypotheses with no evidence and theories that have their evidence refuted.

[Calisu]

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

Do you have a source or not? I already went over why not having evidence =/= something isn't true.

"hurr durr cells" Isn't valid because we didn't spend thousands of years searching for them like we have religion.

[Dyakovo]

"There is no rational reason to believe in any deity" is a direct response.

To re-iterate what I told someone else, that's easy for present-day you to say, but we're talking about an alternate version of you. Let's assume that within this hypothetical world, you are either reared deeply in the ways of one of these pagan faiths, or socially expected, or, if you really want to push it, forced, to choose one. Now what would you answer?

If the alternate version of me is so irrational that I'd believe in a deity without hard evidence, then the alternate me is not me.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I would, and do, follow the norse Gods.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Source how religion proves deities exists? See what I did there.

Though Science has disproved MANY things religions do or did postulate at one point, both sides cannot yet undermine the other 100%.

For example I'm Atheist out of choice, and I can disprove many things both literal and historically religions say happened or is true. But I cannot 100% defeat the argument of their being higher powers, and nor can religious people tell me with 100% facts beyond their own volition that deities exist.

Its a brick wall of an argument.

Bud, I'm an atheist and some people would say an anti-theist in that I really despise religion. While we can disprove things like the Flood, or the earth being 6,000 years old we cannot disprove an actual deity. To say otherwise is just flatly wrong.

[Conscentia]

paganism is pretty cool
i like baltic-slavic and norse/german ones

Baltic paganism and slavic paganism are actually no more related than Norse paganism is to Hellenic paganism.

[The United Communist Solar Republic]

Source your bullshit that it disproves deities.

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

I have no physical observable evidence that you're an atheist aside from your word, therefore it is completely possible that you're an atheist, and at the same time completely possible that you might be lying to me for whatever reason that you're an atheist when you're actually not.

I have no physical observable evidence that God exists aside from the word of the bible (And his work in my life), therefore it is completely possible that the Bible might be lying to me that God is real when he's actually not, and at the same time completely possible that God does exist and his work that I've seen in my life wasn't just coincidence.

[Southern Babylonia]

To re-iterate what I told someone else, that's easy for present-day you to say, but we're talking about an alternate version of you. Let's assume that within this hypothetical world, you are either reared deeply in the ways of one of these pagan faiths, or socially expected, or, if you really want to push it, forced, to choose one. Now what would you answer?

If the alternate version of me is so irrational that I'd believe in a deity without hard evidence, then the alternate me is not me.

Okay, even you have to admit that's a cop-out. Rational people have believed irrational things in the past. Are you honestly going to tell me that if you lived in a small German hamlet or whatever in 400 AD, you'd go around saying that the universe came from nothing and Wodan was fake?

[Imperialisium]

Source how religion proves deities exists? See what I did there.

Though Science has disproved MANY things religions do or did postulate at one point, both sides cannot yet undermine the other 100%.

For example I'm Atheist out of choice, and I can disprove many things both literal and historically religions say happened or is true. But I cannot 100% defeat the argument of their being higher powers, and nor can religious people tell me with 100% facts beyond their own volition that deities exist.

Its a brick wall of an argument.

Bud, I'm an atheist and some people would say an anti-theist in that I really despise religion. While we can disprove things like the Flood, or the earth being 6,000 years old we cannot disprove an actual deity. To say otherwise is just flatly wrong.

How so? There is NO proof of deities. Yet, because there is no proof of them existing or having existed does not make them fake. My entire argument is that there is no way right now for any person on Earth worth their salt to prove or disprove. Its entirely conjectural.

So maybe you missed the point, or I had need of reiteration.

[Calisu]

Where is the evidence of any deity from the entirety of human history?

I have no physical observable evidence that you're an atheist aside from your word, therefore it is completely possible that you're an atheist, and at the same time completely possible that you might be lying to me for whatever reason that you're an atheist when you're actually not.

I have no physical observable evidence that God exists aside from the word of the bible (And his work in my life), therefore it is completely possible that the Bible might be lying to me that God is real when he's actually not, and at the same time completely possible that God does exist and his work that I've seen in my life wasn't just coincidence.

You have no physically observable evidence that I'm not actually a horse using a laptop, yet evidence proves that I'm not a horse using a laptop.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm quite partial to Egyptian mythology. In reality, however, as a half-English, half-Scottish mongrel, I'd probably worship either the Germanic pantheon with Woden and friends or believe in the ancient Gaelic gods. Honestly, I'd prefer the latter. The Dagda protects.

[Calisu]

If the alternate version of me is so irrational that I'd believe in a deity without hard evidence, then the alternate me is not me.

Okay, even you have to admit that's a cop-out. Rational people have believed irrational things in the past. Are you honestly going to tell me that if you lived in a small German hamlet or whatever in 400 AD, you'd go around saying that the universe came from nothing and Wodan was fake?

Not the purpose of this thread. OP came up with this hypothetical situation based in the modern day.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bud, I'm an atheist and some people would say an anti-theist in that I really despise religion. While we can disprove things like the Flood, or the earth being 6,000 years old we cannot disprove an actual deity. To say otherwise is just flatly wrong.

How so? There is NO proof of deities. Yet, because there is no proof of them existing or having existed does not make them fake. My entire argument is that there is no way right now for any person on Earth worth their salt to prove or disprove. Its entirely conjectural.

So maybe you missed the point, or I had need of reiteration.

Yes there is no proof of deities, but there is also nothing that conclusively disproves the existence of one (or multiple). That's what I've been trying to say, when it comes to that question we don't have a true answer yet, it could be true but it could also be false. I think we actually agree on that

[Dyakovo]

If the alternate version of me is so irrational that I'd believe in a deity without hard evidence, then the alternate me is not me.

Okay, even you have to admit that's a cop-out.

How is stating the fact that radically changing something that is core to being me, would make it so that I'm not me anymore a cop-out?

Otherwise R rational people have believed irrational things in the past.

FTFY

Are you honestly going to tell me that if you lived in a small German hamlet or whatever in 400 AD, you'd go around saying that the universe came from nothing and Wodan was fake?

If I was fundamentally still me, then yes, I would. If I was someone radically different from me, then it is possible that I wouldn't.

[The United Communist Solar Republic]

I have no physical observable evidence that you're an atheist aside from your word, therefore it is completely possible that you're an atheist, and at the same time completely possible that you might be lying to me for whatever reason that you're an atheist when you're actually not.

I have no physical observable evidence that God exists aside from the word of the bible (And his work in my life), therefore it is completely possible that the Bible might be lying to me that God is real when he's actually not, and at the same time completely possible that God does exist and his work that I've seen in my life wasn't just coincidence.

You have no physically observable evidence that I'm not actually a horse using a laptop, yet evidence proves that I'm not a horse using a laptop.

Fine, you wanna play that game?

I haven't actually ever observed you're a horse using a laptop, therefore is could be fully possible that you ARE the only intelligent horse on earth smart enough to us a laptop with fingers on your legs as opposed to hooves. I only have your word that you're a human, but cannot verify it.

It's the most likely possibility you're actually a human and not a hyper-intelligent horse with opposable thumbs, but I cannot disprove that you're actually not.