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Postby Uiiop » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:43 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Uiiop wrote:....Uh how? All i'm seeing is disagreement. How does someone saying they disagree with someone in itself the same as suppressing them? Your post is still there word for word despite the apparent powers of the ones below it! :roll: Are you sure you just don't want to hear other opinions?


No, because there are some moderators on here who are especially activist and have suppressed numerous dissenting opinions. It is very real. Its only a matter of time before they all start enacting rules 'no Christianity', 'no capitalism'. The World Assembly will become socialist and communist. This game will be a way to preach the gospel of secular humanism and communism to the hundred thousand people who play it. It's only a matter of time.

The mods haven't been even in this thread yet so...irrelevant besides I've been here longer for you and it's not like that. I've seen no signs of such progression
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
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Christian values: love the Lord with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

"anti-freedom"

You didn't see the passages pushing for the stoning of homosexuals, adulterers, and bankers practicing usury.


Way to go. You don't have a clue that all of those passages are from the Old Testament, and thus no longer apply.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Oh, great, a theocratic uber-nationalist ancap. Summer's last hurrah, ladies and gentlemen (and/or whatever else you happen to be).


Once again, more suppression of dissenting opinions, appealing to everyone else to join in on the anti-American bandwagon. Let me have an opinion too!

You're perfectly free to have your opinion, and I'm perfectly free to make fun of it.

Up until the point that someone violates site rules, of course.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Christian values: love the Lord with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

"anti-freedom"

YHWH is a despot.

Your neighbor is just as likely to be a bad man as a good man.
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Postby Dajing (Ancient) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

look, Communist China tolerates Christians

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

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Bratislavskaya wrote:Under Capitalism liberty is only a statue.


Oh yeah? Before capitalism, people murdered and stole to get what they wanted, and it as all about brutality and survival of the fittest. Capitalism gives everyone a chance to earn a living. Communism suppresses people's freedom!

Now that I can agree with. Communism naturally requires suppressing people just to keep it from swinging to more capitalistic social democracy or even outright capitalism.
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Postby Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

You made me laugh. I'm assuming this isn't trolling and you actually believe this bullcrap?
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Postby Lalaki » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

Most of the world's most economically free countries are secular democracies.

And while I do agree that capitalism can provide the best standard of human living, it can do this only when tempered with an extensive social welfare state. Complete with public health insurance, education, public housing, etc.
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Postby Spoder » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Is your name Eduard Khil by any chance?
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Postby Manzhouli » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Ahh, another Christian trying to rewrite history. You need to understand the Founding Fathers before you try to say what they wanted. First off, they were not Christians as you suppose, they were Deists and had seen the terror that religious division had wrought upon Europe. The division of Christianity between Protestants and Catholics had killed thousands in Europe and many in America, too. They wanted the First Amendment to ensure that America would not have an official faith, like the Powers of Europe had, that would divide the country, not for religious freedom but for the preservation of a stable society.

If you get the nuts and bolts of Christianity, it is the epitome of anti-freedom. An all powerful god that everyone must bow down to wholly and completely, and if you don't you are tortured for eternity? A god that controls everything, has a plan for everything? How is that freedom?

Of course, you will say that I am trying to repress you, as you will say for everyone else who does not agree with you. Poppycock. You are just reflecting yourself upon others, calling them the enemy of freedom and democracy.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Dajing wrote:look, Communist China tolerates Christians

What about those Muslim Uighurs though?
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Once again, more suppression of dissenting opinions, appealing to everyone else to join in on the anti-American bandwagon. Let me have an opinion too!

You're perfectly free to have your opinion, and I'm perfectly free to make fun of it.


And, also, I assume, instead of doing something in real life about your opinion, hearing real life sources, you have 20,000 posts on an internet forum? It sounds like you are suppressing your own inner opinions with the spoonfed NSG neolib garbage.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That was some wonderful bug-eyed bluster.

Truth? That's just your opinion, man.

America is still the greatest, wealthiest, most powerful, strongest, and most desired nation on Earth! And it was built on conservative Christian values (which include freedom, i.e., capitalism, and the freedom to worship the Christian God)


Conservative, Christian values? Freedom!? Unless you are poor, black, gay etc. of course. That rose-tint on your spectacles is from the blood of the under-privileged. It is only those dastardly progressives and deniers of "sacred truth" that have prevented the excesses of your faction from turning America into a theocratic poverty-riven hellhole.
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Postby Ex Echulus Nostrus » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

I like your rhetorical writing style, it's similar to mine.
Don't like your politics, though.
Edit: this post by Margno, damn puppets.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Who wants to turn 'Murica into a commie dictatorship?

God forbid we adopt a policy that helps the poor and weakens the rich! Clearly those who think such things are brainwashed by the PRC or Russia! Therefore, because they deserved to be lynched for their opinions.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:45 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Way to go. You don't have a clue that all of those passages are from the Old Testament, and thus no longer apply.

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Postby Bratislavskaya » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:46 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:What capitalism doesn't? Only rich people are free under capitalism, everyone else has to work for a lot less money to make the people who don't work richer.


That's a lie. Communism is all about a few people controlling the lives of millions. The Soviet Union killed over 60 million people for a variety of reasons, all in the interest of the ideal communist state. The communists will always fail! Freedom will always prevail.

The USSR was state capitalist, not communist. It didn't even reach socialism. The state became the rich person. True communism is a lot different. Not only that but the USSR had a lot of things the US still doesn't have. Free nationalized healthcare, and free education at all levels to name too. Not only that but they were technologically advanced. They achieved nearly all of the firsts in the space race other than putting a man on the moon. First man in space, first man to orbit the earth, first animal in space, first animal to orbit the earth, fist probe on another planet, first satellite, the list goes on.
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Postby Dajing (Ancient) » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:46 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:What about those Muslim Uighurs though?

What about them, they're barbarians. They need to be sinicized.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:47 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You're perfectly free to have your opinion, and I'm perfectly free to make fun of it.


And, also, I assume, instead of doing something in real life about your opinion, hearing real life sources, you have 20,000 posts on an internet forum? It sounds like you are suppressing your own inner opinions with the spoonfed NSG neolib garbage.

I've been a communist since before I joined NS. Hell, if anything my time here has made me more moderate. I'ma go find one of my earlier political posts so you can see how much of a nut I was back then, OK? Back in a few.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:47 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:America is still the greatest, wealthiest, most powerful, strongest, and most desired nation on Earth! And it was built on conservative Christian values (which include freedom, i.e., capitalism, and the freedom to worship the Christian God)


Conservative, Christian values? Freedom!? Unless you are poor, black, gay etc. of course. That rose-tint on your spectacles is from the blood of the under-privileged. It is only those dastardly progressives and deniers of "sacred truth" that have prevented the excesses of your faction from turning America into a theocratic poverty-riven hellhole.


FALSE, Christian values teach equality of all men and women. Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Stop with the race-baiting. You know that the progressives and pro-choice lobbyists are the ones who are really out to get the racial minorities. Planned Parenthood and the others want to get rid of all minorities.

(Founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger) On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
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Postby Xenoph » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 pm

I find it interesting that you say america is who defeated the Nazis and Soviets. While yes the cold war ended with America becoming #1 as a superpower it was done as a joint effort with NATO which included many western nations most notably France and the UK, technically I guess it could be seen as an american win but they didn't do it solely by themselves like you make it sound. Secondly they DID NOT stop the Nazis. They helped yes and did a good job at it, however the Soviets were the ones that did the most damage to the Nazis and suffered the most from the war. The Soviets were the ones in WW 2 who did the most to help stop the Germans. The Americans on the other hand did the most damage to the Japanese. The only reason America entered war with Germany at the time was because of the fact that Hitler declared war with the US after Japan attacked us at Pearl harbor. We didn't even fight the Germans until 44 kind of like WW1, we came in late helped a bit and get all the credit. Its kind of sad actually. Now as for your main topic at hand, no government is perfect and we probably won't ever find one but a democracy so far is the most effective in terms of freedoms and justice in the world so far. I don't see too many other governments yet that are as effective as capitalism either.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 pm

Valrifell wrote:Who wants to turn 'Murica into a commie dictatorship?

God forbid we adopt a policy that helps the poor and weakens the rich! Clearly those who think such things are brainwashed by the PRC or Russia! Therefore, because they deserved to be lynched for their opinions.

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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
And, also, I assume, instead of doing something in real life about your opinion, hearing real life sources, you have 20,000 posts on an internet forum? It sounds like you are suppressing your own inner opinions with the spoonfed NSG neolib garbage.

I've been a communist since before I joined NS. Hell, if anything my time here has made me more moderate. I'ma go find one of my earlier political posts so you can see how much of a nut I was back then, OK? Back in a few.


Like I said, spoonfed NSG neolib garbage, instead of seeking out the truth, turn to MSNBC and everyone else!
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Postby Keventle » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 pm

I applaud your wonderful support to Capitalism and Christianity as not inherently evil. :clap:

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Postby The Flood » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 pm

Capitalism is evil, and is not at all a part of Christianity. Greed is a deadly sin, and capitalism is greed.
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