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Postby SaintB » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:50 am

Smacking doesn't work. It doesn't work on children for the same reason it doesn't work on dogs - all it does is teach them to associate you with pain, fear, and confusion.
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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:52 am

I agree that spanking an unruly child is probably a good thing in every child's toddlerhood, but just smacking your child anywhere you want seems wrong. And it probably is, considering.

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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:54 am

SaintB wrote:Smacking doesn't work. It doesn't work on children for the same reason it doesn't work on dogs - all it does is teach them to associate you with pain, fear, and confusion.

Making the victim more aggressive and anti-social in the process.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:56 am

The 93rd Coalition wrote:I agree that spanking an unruly child is probably a good thing in every child's toddlerhood, but just smacking your child anywhere you want seems wrong. And it probably is, considering.

An unruly child is unruly due to your faults as a parent, ie; not providing enough attention(or providing extreme attention).

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Postby Digital Planets » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:58 am

You see here, people, when you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:59 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, how else are parents supposed to discipline children? I'm dead set against abuse, don't get me wrong, but this guy is kind of an alarmist.

Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.

Grounding me would have achieved shit all.
I never went outside.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:01 am

Digital Planets wrote:You see here, people, when you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.

No one's going to shut the fuck up; everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
Who are you referring to, anyway?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:02 am

Camelza wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:You see here, people, when you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.

No one's going to shut the fuck up; everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
Who are you referring to, anyway?

Almost certainly the candidate referencing in OP.
He's addressing the thread at large.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:03 am

I don't see the point of smacking, often parents don't tell kids what they did wrong, they just smack the kid and say "You know what you did wrong". I was beaten as a child, even when I begged for my father to stop, he didn't. I forgot what I did wrong, I just remembered the belting not what I did wrong. Many parents go overboard and that is why I am anti-smacking.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:03 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.

Grounding me would have achieved shit all.
I never went outside.

Grounding isn't just keeping you from going outdoors. When I was grounded I lost all privelages no tv, no music, I wasn't even permitted to start a conversation unless it was to relay an important message like "The house is on fire". If I have kids I'll ground them in the same manner. No computers, tv, music, smart devices, etc. the only things they'll be allowed to do are homework and chore related.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:04 am

SaintB wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Grounding me would have achieved shit all.
I never went outside.

Grounding isn't just keeping you from going outdoors. When I was grounded I lost all privelages no tv, no music, I wasn't even permitted to start a conversation unless it was to relay an important message like "The house is on fire". If I have kids I'll ground them in the same manner. No computers, tv, music, smart devices, etc. the only things they'll be allowed to do are homework and chore related.

Sadly, you'll probably get the same excuse I managed to start giving - "my homework is all online assessments"
Or has to be submitted by email.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:05 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Camelza wrote:No one's going to shut the fuck up; everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
Who are you referring to, anyway?

Almost certainly the candidate referencing in OP.
He's addressing the thread at large.

I see.
Not very contributing to the thread at large.

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Postby SaintB » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:05 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
SaintB wrote:Grounding isn't just keeping you from going outdoors. When I was grounded I lost all privelages no tv, no music, I wasn't even permitted to start a conversation unless it was to relay an important message like "The house is on fire". If I have kids I'll ground them in the same manner. No computers, tv, music, smart devices, etc. the only things they'll be allowed to do are homework and chore related.

Sadly, you'll probably get the same excuse I managed to start giving - "my homework is all online assessments"
Or has to be submitted by email.

Their teachers can confirm whether its true ;)
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:08 am

SaintB wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Sadly, you'll probably get the same excuse I managed to start giving - "my homework is all online assessments"
Or has to be submitted by email.

Their teachers can confirm whether its true ;)

Took my parents two years to work out why I wasn't getting homework at school - I wasn't doing it and forged their signature for detention slips ;)
Never updated mum's contact information with the school so they couldn't follow it up.

Slightly strange point in my life. Got a detention for a thing I never did very early in secondary school and promptly proceeded to begin giving no shits.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:13 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
SaintB wrote:Grounding isn't just keeping you from going outdoors. When I was grounded I lost all privelages no tv, no music, I wasn't even permitted to start a conversation unless it was to relay an important message like "The house is on fire". If I have kids I'll ground them in the same manner. No computers, tv, music, smart devices, etc. the only things they'll be allowed to do are homework and chore related.

Sadly, you'll probably get the same excuse I managed to start giving - "my homework is all online assessments"
Or has to be submitted by email.

Heh, my parents did both groundings and beatings. If I got "online" homework" I would of been forced to do it in a library.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:14 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
SaintB wrote:Their teachers can confirm whether its true ;)

Took my parents two years to work out why I wasn't getting homework at school - I wasn't doing it and forged their signature for detention slips ;)
Never updated mum's contact information with the school so they couldn't follow it up.

Slightly strange point in my life. Got a detention for a thing I never did very early in secondary school and promptly proceeded to begin giving no shits.

There seem to be three kinds of teenagers - the ones who work too hard, the ones who don't care, and the ones who find the work too easy so they don't even bother.
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Postby Digital Planets » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:14 am

Camelza wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:You see here, people, when you don't know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up.

No one's going to shut the fuck up; everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.


I believe you took that the wrong way.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:14 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
SaintB wrote:Their teachers can confirm whether its true ;)

Took my parents two years to work out why I wasn't getting homework at school - I wasn't doing it and forged their signature for detention slips ;)
Never updated mum's contact information with the school so they couldn't follow it up.

Well, I don't wish to insult you and I presume there's a bigger backstory to this, but I guess your parents forgot to teach you that dishonesty and forgery are unacceptable.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:16 am

SaintB wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Took my parents two years to work out why I wasn't getting homework at school - I wasn't doing it and forged their signature for detention slips ;)
Never updated mum's contact information with the school so they couldn't follow it up.

Slightly strange point in my life. Got a detention for a thing I never did very early in secondary school and promptly proceeded to begin giving no shits.

There seem to be three kinds of teenagers - the ones who work too hard, the ones who don't care, and the ones who find the work too easy so they don't even bother.

I was the third category at secondary school. Because of not bothering, I quickly started slipping after a year of A-levels and fell behind pretty quickly at University.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:16 am

Digital Planets wrote:
Camelza wrote:No one's going to shut the fuck up; everyone's entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

I believe you took that the wrong way.

Nothing to worry, I got in what way you mean it.
However, I'm pretty vocal when freedom of speech is concerned.

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Postby Kiruri » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:17 am

I think smacking your children is sexual abuse. The lord knows BDSM was meant for 18+ only.
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Postby Digital Planets » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:17 am

Camelza wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:I believe you took that the wrong way.

Nothing to worry, I got in what way you mean it.
However, I'm pretty vocal when freedom of speech is concerned.


About as vocal as gun-fuckers/gun-grabbers?
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Postby Qanchia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:19 am

Scomagia wrote:Actual experts in the field, people who know much, much, much, much, much more about the human mind than you or I, disagree.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/ ... nking.aspx

http://alpha.fdu.edu/psychology/corporal_punishment.htm


Thanks for that Scomagia. I've generally been pro-corporal punishment, but these studies are making me reconsider.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:26 am

Camelza wrote:
The 93rd Coalition wrote:I agree that spanking an unruly child is probably a good thing in every child's toddlerhood, but just smacking your child anywhere you want seems wrong. And it probably is, considering.

An unruly child is unruly due to your faults as a parent, ie; not providing enough attention(or providing extreme attention).


well an unruly toddler is a feature of the age. parents think that spanking makes them more well behaved but all that really happens is that they grow up a bit and behave better because they are more mature.
whatever

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Postby Camelza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:34 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Camelza wrote:An unruly child is unruly due to your faults as a parent, ie; not providing enough attention(or providing extreme attention).


well an unruly toddler is a feature of the age. parents think that spanking makes them more well behaved but all that really happens is that they grow up a bit and behave better because they are more mature.

I wasn't talking about toddlers though and I've explained in another post in this thread that patience is one of the main aspects of good parenting.

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