Protestantism might just be Christianity

[Murkwood]

I don't understand why you include Anglicans with the legitimate Churches. They are Protestants in my books, just as heretical as the rest.

Yeah, that is an odd choice.

[Benuty]

I don't understand why you include Anglicans with the legitimate Churches. They are Protestants in my books, just as heretical as the rest.

Yeah, that is an odd choice.

Political schism is why.

[Benuty]

By definition, a heresy is a splinter group of a main stream accepted religion.
If a heresy, in this case Protestantism (which isn't really a heresy), is not Christian, it is no longer a heresy and becomes heathonous instead.

Christians are just heretical Jews anyway.

Jews, and Samaritans are just heretical Yahwists anyway.

[Shaggai]

I don't understand why you include Anglicans with the legitimate Churches. They are Protestants in my books, just as heretical as the rest.

Yeah, that is an odd choice.

The split was political, not theological, so it wouldn't affect the status of that Church. Especially from an Orthodox perspective, in which the Pope isn't the supreme authority.

[Murkwood]

Christians are just heretical Jews anyway.

Jews, and Samaritans are just heretical Yahwists anyway.

Yahwists are just heretical Baalists.

[Dyakovo]

Liberation theology: It's a thing.

But it goes against Catholic teaching. You can't be a Communist and a Catholic.

A point in favor of communism, right there...

[Conkerials]

But it goes against Catholic teaching. You can't be a Communist and a Catholic.

A point in favor of communism, right there...

Most communists aren't religious anyways, so.

[Dyakovo]

Debatable.

I quote the Catholic Catechism:

2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.

2403 The right to private property, acquired or received in a just way, does not do away with the original gift of the earth to the whole of mankind. The universal destination of goods remains primordial, even if the promotion of the common good requires respect for the right to private property and its exercise.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a7.htm

That catechism is bullshit, since neither communism nor socialism are inherently atheistic.

[Dyakovo]

An entire thread based on a logical fallacy...
Good job.

This actually isn't a No True Scotsman.

Wrong. That's exactly what it is.

[Benuty]

Jews, and Samaritans are just heretical Yahwists anyway.

Yahwists are just heretical Baalists.

Pre-split Israel or the Northern Kingdom?
*Because the title actually had two different contexts in earlier times.

[Murkwood]

I quote the Catholic Catechism:



http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a7.htm

That catechism is bullshit, since neither communism nor socialism are inherently atheistic.

Well, the Church disagrees.

[Halh Kahul]

Im too lazy to go through everything so did I miss a major Catholic v Protestant fight?

[Murkwood]

Im too lazy to go through everything so did I miss a major Catholic v Protestant fight?

Yes, but it's surprisingly civil.

[Benuty]

Im too lazy to go through everything so did I miss a major Catholic v Protestant fight?

Yes, but it's surprisingly civil.

For a fallacy.

[Slavonian kingdom]

Of course communism is inherently arheist as atheism was part of the ideology of the communist states.

[Czechanada]

This actually isn't a No True Scotsman.

Wrong. That's exactly what it is.

A No True Scotsman is a fallacious response to a counterexample that refutes a universal claim.

Diztruizio merely is making a universal claim and not responding to a counter-example. Thus, he is not committing the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[The Fascist American Empire]

A point in favor of communism, right there...

Most communists aren't religious anyways, so.

Oh, on the contrary. The parallels between the Communist Manifesto and the Christian Bible are numerous. Marx himself was raised in a Jewish household (although they are said to have converted to Christianity so as his father could get a job).

[Conkerials]

Most communists aren't religious anyways, so.

Oh, on the contrary. The parallels between the Communist Manifesto and the Christian Bible are numerous. Marx himself was raised in a Jewish household (although they are said to have converted to Christianity so as his father could get a job).

Most communists are atheists/irreligious. This is common knowledge.

[Dyakovo]

That catechism is bullshit, since neither communism nor socialism are inherently atheistic.

Well, the Church disagrees.

One of the ways in which the church is wrong.

[Herskerstad]

Jews, and Samaritans are just heretical Yahwists anyway.

Yahwists are just heretical Baalists.

Heretical and Heathen are two different things. If that is what you were going for.

[Shaggai]

I quote the Catholic Catechism:



http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a7.htm

That catechism is bullshit, since neither communism nor socialism are inherently atheistic.

It says that "The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with 'communism' or 'socialism.'" I don't think that says that communism and socialism are unCatholic, except the atheist totalitarian versions. It doesn't say "The Church has rejected communism and socialism".

Wrong. That's exactly what it is.

A No True Scotsman is a fallacious response to a counterexample that refutes a universal claim.

Diztruizio merely is making a universal claim and not responding to a counter-example. Thus, he is not committing the No True Scotsman fallacy.

To further support your point: No True Scotsman refers to a case in which an unrelated attribute (i. e. putting sugar on porridge) is used in the definition of a term. Distruzio's belief is that the acceptance of the Church (and the other things associated with that) are an inherent part of Christianity. The Church is definitely relevant to Christianity, whether or not you accept its authority, so this is not a No True Scotsman..

[Kiruri]

And Catholics worship and idolize saints- none of whom are actually God, however much they are blessed by Him.
EVERY CHRISTIAN IS NOT CHRISTIAN

Reverence is not idolotry, Tod.

Bah....

Reverence, idolatry. Potato, Pohtahtoh.
Either which way, I don't thing God would approve of what it is the catholics do with their saints and what not.

[Benuty]

Reverence is not idolotry, Tod.

Bah....

Reverence, idolatry. Potato, Pohtahtoh.
Either which way, I don't thing God would approve of what it is the catholics do with their saints and what not.

They do not worship them contrary to popular belief. Supposedly they act as mediators (which begs the question of the role of Jesus) to God.

[The Serbian Empire]

And Catholics worship and idolize saints- none of whom are actually God, however much they are blessed by Him.
EVERY CHRISTIAN IS NOT CHRISTIAN

Reverence is not idolotry, Tod.

Otherwise the only Christians are Orthodox and other Eastern types.

[Kiruri]

Bah....

Reverence, idolatry. Potato, Pohtahtoh.
Either which way, I don't thing God would approve of what it is the catholics do with their saints and what not.

They do not worship them contrary to popular belief. Supposedly they act as mediators (which begs the question of the role of Jesus) to God.

Well, worship perhaps not, but I still think God would frown upon that.