Bill O'Reilly Denies then Proves White Privilege

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It's fun to just read the OP, and skip the bits afterwards where people who know their stuff and are able to provide sources to back their claims actually discuss the subject in depth, isn't it?

There isn't any privilege of any type. Sources showing that White people are generally richer than others are crap because they don't show us shit about a supposed privilege.

On this very page (or, rather, that page that the post that I'm responding to is on), there are links to studies concerning employment discrimination, police bias, and housing issues. Not just numbers showing rich and poor. Read through the rest of the thread, and you'll likely find more.

[Calimera II]

There isn't any privilege of any type. Sources showing that White people are generally richer than others are crap because they don't show us shit about a supposed privilege.

On this very page (or, rather, that page that the post that I'm responding to is on), there are links to studies concerning employment discrimination, police bias, and housing issues. Not just numbers showing rich and poor. Read through the rest of the thread, and you'll likely find more.

I wouldn't call it a 'white Privilege", though.

[Ashmoria]

On this very page (or, rather, that page that the post that I'm responding to is on), there are links to studies concerning employment discrimination, police bias, and housing issues. Not just numbers showing rich and poor. Read through the rest of the thread, and you'll likely find more.

I wouldn't call it a 'white Privilege", though.

im not an expert on naming things. the term annoys me too for the same reason it annoys you. its not a privilege to be treated fairly by society. its a detriment to be treated unfairly.

but i am assuming that its a suggestion that you look at it from the other guys' point of view for a minute. to the disadvantaged we ARE privileged. so think about that instead of letting it annoy you because you know you aren't getting anything special from anyone.

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On this very page (or, rather, that page that the post that I'm responding to is on), there are links to studies concerning employment discrimination, police bias, and housing issues. Not just numbers showing rich and poor. Read through the rest of the thread, and you'll likely find more.

I wouldn't call it a 'white Privilege", though.

What would you call it when white people are less likely to have their resumes tossed, are less likely to be randomly stopped by police, are less likely to encounter unpleasant stereotypes of themselves on television, are more likely to attend schools offering advanced math and science courses, are less likely to be suspended or expelled for the same infractions as black students, and have life expectancies five years longer than black people? A series of statistical anomalies?

[Ashmoria]

I wouldn't call it a 'white Privilege", though.

What would you call it when white people are less likely to have their resumes tossed, are less likely to be randomly stopped by police, are less likely to encounter unpleasant stereotypes of themselves on television, are more likely to attend schools offering advanced math and science courses, are less likely to be suspended or expelled for the same infractions as black students, and have life expectancies five years longer than black people? A series of statistical anomalies?

id call it "the way it should be"

in some ways calling it a privilege means that white people SHOULDNT get those considerations. of course we should. so should black americans. so should Hispanic americans. so should natives americans. it ought not be a privilege but a way of life.

[Pope Joan]

The top law firms continue to be bastions of white male privilege.

Ethnic Minorities and women do not become senior partners there. I heard one defender of the system say "Well, they have to relate to their corporate clients, where white males also rule". But that can no longer be an excuse, since most of those corporations have opened their board rooms to women and ethnic minorities.

[Mavorpen]

Yes. Come on now, don't pretend you're a master on black culture. You clearly know absolutely nothing about it.

Also, "drums"? Really? Is THAT the extent of your knowledge concerning African music? Holy shit this is hilarious.

there are no drums in rap music?

Huh?

[Ashmoria]

there are no drums in rap music?

Huh?

didn't he claim that rappers don't use drums?

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What would you call it when white people are less likely to have their resumes tossed, are less likely to be randomly stopped by police, are less likely to encounter unpleasant stereotypes of themselves on television, are more likely to attend schools offering advanced math and science courses, are less likely to be suspended or expelled for the same infractions as black students, and have life expectancies five years longer than black people? A series of statistical anomalies?

id call it "the way it should be"

in some ways calling it a privilege means that white people SHOULDNT get those considerations. of course we should. so should black americans. so should Hispanic americans. so should natives americans. it ought not be a privilege but a way of life.

Well, that's what I'm saying. See, to me (and, if you're white, to you), it looks like "fair treatment". To those who aren't the beneficiaries of the treatment, though, I can see how it would look one hell of a lot like privilege.

[Ashmoria]

id call it "the way it should be"

in some ways calling it a privilege means that white people SHOULDNT get those considerations. of course we should. so should black americans. so should Hispanic americans. so should natives americans. it ought not be a privilege but a way of life.

Well, that's what I'm saying. See, to me (and, if you're white, to you), it looks like "fair treatment". To those who aren't the beneficiaries of the treatment, though, I can see how it would look one hell of a lot like privilege.

yes.

and, as i said above, i assume the term is used instead of something more white-normative. so i go with it. but its not a privilege to be able to walk in the middle of the street and not end up shot dead by a police officer. its the way it should be.

[Mavorpen]

[*]My response to the stop-and-frisk one has two parts:

1. First, the better of the two responses: stop-and-frisks would be much more likely to be done in a neighborhood that is known for having a high crime rate, through a combination of there probably being more of a police presence in higher-crime neighborhoods and heightened suspicion on the part of the police officer. Poorer neighborhoods tend to have high crime rates. Black people are more likely to live in poorer neighborhoods than white people. This would on its own make black people more likely to be stopped and frisked than white people, especially since I would suspect that, since black people tend to be poorer than white people, black people would be more likely to be walking rather than driving when compared to white people, also making them more likely to be stopped and frisked.

Yeah, how about no. Again, you REALLY REALLY need to do some additional research on this topic. We ALREADY have cases that have been brought to courts demonstrating that in fact, minorities were being targeted and illegally discriminated against. I don't give a crap if the majority of the city is black and thus the majority of people stopped and frisked are black. I have a problem when there is no actual reasoning behind the stopping and frisking (not to mention that there are, in fact, more white people than black people in New York City).

See, he's the thing. The supposed purpose of stop and frisk is to catch people who may commit a crime or contribute to committing a crime before it happens and drives further crime. The thing is, though? It doesn't fucking do that. And the vast majority of these stops are done solely on the basis of whether the person is a minority. It has nothing to do with poverty. It's racism. Plain and simple.

And now for the second response, which is the far less optimistic of the two. Racial profiling (which, for the record, I very, very much disagree with, though I do know a number of people who don't) is the usage of statistics to attempt to identify likely criminals. While attempting to correlate race with the likelihood of being a criminal is very much a fool's errand, especially with how prone it is to confirmation bias (the criminals you don't find are the ones you don't know of, after all), since black people tend to be poorer, and the poverty is positively correlated with crime, one can see where such a notion would come from. It's a dumb, dangerous notion, but a notion nonetheless, and one that needn't be based upon racism.

No, this is ENTIRELY, at its core, based upon racism. How do you even fucking think this started? This started from the racist belief that black people are inherently less intelligent and more violent that originated during the period before the Civil War. It then translated to stereotypes of black people in general, which lead to shit like Blackface. Later on it would rear it's ugly head in the form of negative stereotypes of black people in media in general. Hell, even Looney Tunes did it:

See, here's what you don't understand. The fact that African Americans are statistically over-represented in crime did not come before the stereotypes. The stereotypes came BEFORE the over-representation in crime. And these stereotypes are largely WHY blacks were segregated and as a consequence shoved into districts that were defunded, which inevitably led to crime. And the sad part? Because of this, a good deal of white people look at this and say "SEE! WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!" which only further justifies the discrimination in their minds. It's a viscous cycle, one that AT ITS CORE is inherently ground in racism. To deny otherwise is to essentially deny a large bulk of American history and race relations.

From the article:

It's easier to catch people with marijuana in communities where there are "open-air" drug markets, rather than looking in homes, basements or country clubs, said Burnett, the CEO of the National African American Drug Policy Coalition.

In other words, in poorer neighborhoods, where they can't afford larger homes and therefore do more stuff outside, people are easier to catch smoking. And since black people are more likely to be in such neighborhoods, those are the people the catch there.

Oh, come on. Did you even bother to read the entire article? It says, not long after that:

The unequal arrests rates are not confined to a single U.S. region or to urban areas with larger black populations, the ACLU said. That discrepancy is found throughout the country, regardless of the size of the black population of the location and at all income levels, the data shows.

So no, your conclusion is utterly wrong to apply that specific quote (that's in the context of the District of Columbia, by the way) to the nation as a whole in an attempt to gloss over the racial component here.

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Well, that's what I'm saying. See, to me (and, if you're white, to you), it looks like "fair treatment". To those who aren't the beneficiaries of the treatment, though, I can see how it would look one hell of a lot like privilege.

yes.

and, as i said above, i assume the term is used instead of something more white-normative. so i go with it. but its not a privilege to be able to walk in the middle of the street and not end up shot dead by a police officer. its the way it should be.

That's the way that it should be for all, but at the moment, it's a privilege. Let's make sure that it's a right instead.

[Mavorpen]

Huh?

didn't he claim that rappers don't use drums?

Oh, yeah. He did. I was confused because you quoted me though.

[Gezi Park]

Fairer skin complexion receives less attention from the authorities, however.

Asians come in all shades. Caucasians come in one shade, with a few tanner varieties, such as Armenians or Sicilians.

Caucasian =/= white. Caucasian includes Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and Berbers.

Except most Turks are white (west mediterrenean + balkan with anatolian and central asian influences)

[Ashmoria]

yes.

and, as i said above, i assume the term is used instead of something more white-normative. so i go with it. but its not a privilege to be able to walk in the middle of the street and not end up shot dead by a police officer. its the way it should be.

That's the way that it should be for all, but at the moment, it's a privilege. Let's make sure that it's a right instead.

i hope that something like that can come out of this ferguson thing. its so awful that surely it can get people thinking about injustice.

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That's the way that it should be for all, but at the moment, it's a privilege. Let's make sure that it's a right instead.

i hope that something like that can come out of this ferguson thing. its so awful that surely it can get people thinking about injustice.

If the community there can think "What can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen again?" while we do the same, then hopefully some good will come of it. It took the King riots and the Rampart scandal to finally bring the LAPD under control, but today, they're widely accepted and respected by black residents of Los Angeles.

[Ashmoria]

didn't he claim that rappers don't use drums?

Oh, yeah. He did. I was confused because you quoted me though.

well you let it go by and he obviously know little about black culture.

im an old white lady, rap/hiphop is not my preferred musical genre.

so, do they use drums?

[Mavorpen]

i hope that something like that can come out of this ferguson thing. its so awful that surely it can get people thinking about injustice.

If the community there can think "What can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen again?" while we do the same, then hopefully some good will come of it. It took the King riots and the Rampart scandal to finally bring the LAPD under control, but today, they're widely accepted and respected by black residents of Los Angeles.

And this is the sad part. We KNOW, because of cases like that, that this can be done. And yet we STILL have people simply insisting that it's only the fault of the black people in the community. THEY'RE the problem. And if only they would stop being the violent criminals, they would get along better with the police and the overall quality of police work would be better.

[Ashmoria]

i hope that something like that can come out of this ferguson thing. its so awful that surely it can get people thinking about injustice.

If the community there can think "What can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen again?" while we do the same, then hopefully some good will come of it. It took the King riots and the Rampart scandal to finally bring the LAPD under control, but today, they're widely accepted and respected by black residents of Los Angeles.

i am utterly shocked at the way the city, state, county police (and officials) handled the situation. how does it get that bad?

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If the community there can think "What can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen again?" while we do the same, then hopefully some good will come of it. It took the King riots and the Rampart scandal to finally bring the LAPD under control, but today, they're widely accepted and respected by black residents of Los Angeles.

And this is the sad part. We KNOW, because of cases like that, that this can be done. And yet we STILL have people simply insisting that it's only the fault of the black people in the community. THEY'RE the problem. And if only they would stop being the violent criminals, they would get along better with the police and the overall quality of police work would be better.

That may actually be true to some extent, but it's up to the black community to address those issues from within. It's up to those of us who actually have this privilege to open it up to all, and ensure that the efforts of the people in the community who are trying to better themselves, their families, and their neighbors do not go unnoticed or unrewarded.

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If the community there can think "What can we do to ensure that this doesn't happen again?" while we do the same, then hopefully some good will come of it. It took the King riots and the Rampart scandal to finally bring the LAPD under control, but today, they're widely accepted and respected by black residents of Los Angeles.

i am utterly shocked at the way the city, state, county police (and officials) handled the situation. how does it get that bad?

If you're talking about Ferguson, it was a very long time where the black members of the community saw no use in attempting to change things for the better due to an unresponsive government, and the local government doing whatever they could in order to encourage that perception.

[Mavorpen]

And this is the sad part. We KNOW, because of cases like that, that this can be done. And yet we STILL have people simply insisting that it's only the fault of the black people in the community. THEY'RE the problem. And if only they would stop being the violent criminals, they would get along better with the police and the overall quality of police work would be better.

That may actually be true to some extent, but it's up to the black community to address those issues from within. It's up to those of us who actually have this privilege to open it up to all, and ensure that the efforts of the people in the community who are trying to better themselves, their families, and their neighbors do not go unnoticed or unrewarded.

Yes, which is why I talked about the people who specifically claim that it's only the fault of the black residents.

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That may actually be true to some extent, but it's up to the black community to address those issues from within. It's up to those of us who actually have this privilege to open it up to all, and ensure that the efforts of the people in the community who are trying to better themselves, their families, and their neighbors do not go unnoticed or unrewarded.

Yes, which is why I talked about the people who specifically claim that it's only the fault of the black residents.

Exactly. I just wanted to clarify lest someone jump on board going "Well, why is this the fault of WHITE people? Why CAN'T they do something? Do you think that they're incapable, you racist?" and other such nonsense.

[Mavorpen]

Yes, which is why I talked about the people who specifically claim that it's only the fault of the black residents.

Exactly. I just wanted to clarify lest someone jump on board going "Well, why is this the fault of WHITE people? Why CAN'T they do something? Do you think that they're incapable, you racist?" and other such nonsense.

Thinking ahead. Good job.

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Exactly. I just wanted to clarify lest someone jump on board going "Well, why is this the fault of WHITE people? Why CAN'T they do something? Do you think that they're incapable, you racist?" and other such nonsense.

Thinking ahead. Good job.

If you're smacked on the head every time you pass through a certain doorway, you're going to start automatically ducking whenever you have to pass through it.