Bill O'Reilly Denies then Proves White Privilege

[Benuty]

"what is wrong with black people?"

"what is wrong with Hispanic people?"

"what is wrong with Jewish people?"

You should know better. Generalizations are not a good idea.

Eh...

"What is wrong with rich people?"

"What is wrong with men?"

"What is wrong with heteros?"

"What is wrong with cis people?"

"What is wrong with able-bodied people?"

Better comparisons.

This is not tumblr.

That being said, I feel I should point out I can tell when people are being sarcastic.

[Hindenburgia]

Every time this sort of discussion comes up, all but without fail the same two sides crop up - one saying that racial privilege is no longer an issue, and the other saying that is is currently an issue. The latter side looks to "dismantle power structure[s]" (direct quote from earlier in the thread) and so on, while the former side doesn't see this as necessary and often even sees it as harmful. I think both groups kind of miss the point, however.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that while it is definitely a bad sign when one racial group has a persistently lower income distribution than another, it is not necessarily a sign of racial privilege.

First, to grossly oversimplify the situation in as non-controversial a way as possible:

• Poor communities tend to lack educational opportunities and have more problems with crime than richer communities.
• In large part because of these factors, people in poor communities often have a very difficult time getting themselves out of poor communities.
• Therefore, people from poor communities tend to be less successful.
• Poor communities tend to have more black people than white people.
• Therefore, black people tend to be less successful than white people.
• Therefore, black people are more likely to live in poor communities than white people.
• Thus forms a vicious cycle of poverty.

A lot of people, knowing this, would propose that aid be given to black people in order to rectify this state.

Except, then not only are you helping out black people who don't need this assistance, but then you miss all the other people who need assistance - whatever skin color they may have.

And even if you expand to cover every group you'd care to name, you still wouldn't be attacking the root problem - that poverty is so incredibly hard to get out of. If we were to, instead of giving assistance on the basis of race and instead based upon one's need, not only would we still be giving assistance to those who need it by definition, we would be automatically covering only the people who need the assistance, also by definition.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

This is not tumblr.

Disregarding white nationalism and similar reactionary shit, ideologies don't have determinate websites where they are appropriate and where they aren't. Also, I don't have a tumblr and I don't form my opinions there.

[Ashmoria]

I am an American southern white male born in the state of Georgia, raised in Tennessee, and currently languishing in Alabama. If white privilidge exists, then here, if anywhere, it's presence should be extremely evident, but I must confess that I've not received one consolation prize due to my lack of pigmentation. No trust fund, gold card, or even a modest stipend from Whitey & Associates for being born into the paleface club. No one taught me the secret handshake that grants me entrance into the executive white only dinner club where I can feast like a Viking in Valhalla.
I would think that if some institution existed here that propped up and primped the whites, my grandfather would have let me in on it. He was the last of my line to be a member of the Klan, so either they or their cousins the Democrat Party would have had something to offer me, if indeed such an unmerritorious system existed. But my Paw Paw never liked me much, and I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm disqualified and out of the know.

And I thought I was the only one who did not know. As a native of Georgia and resident of Louisiana. I did not receive my gold spoon, silver cup or Playboy Mansion key at birth either. In fact, I am using NS on a neighbors computer because I cannot afford internet. Work a minimal wage job, and drive a hand me down SUV which sucks the money out of my life. Maybe you have to be an extra good white male to get into that club. Wait, I have no criminal record, no history of ever even applying for government assistance, which I definitely qualify for, and am a active volunteer in my own state and community. Former member of the Georgia State Defense Force and generally informed citizen. Nope, still no golden spoon.

But I will call y'all when it comes in the mail.

this is why i don't like it being called white privilege. its not a privilege to not be followed around a store lest you steal something. its not a privilege to not be scared of the cops.

it's the way it should be for everyone regardless of race.

but it isn't and THAT is where your privilege lies.

[Mavorpen]

Every time this sort of discussion comes up, all but without fail the same two sides crop up - one saying that racial privilege is no longer an issue, and the other saying that is is currently an issue. The latter side looks to "dismantle power structure[s]" (direct quote from earlier in the thread) and so on, while the former side doesn't see this as necessary and often even sees it as harmful. I think both groups kind of miss the point, however.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that while it is definitely a bad sign when one racial group has a persistently lower income distribution than another, it is not necessarily a sign of racial privilege.

First, to grossly oversimplify the situation in as non-controversial a way as possible:

• Poor communities tend to lack educational opportunities and have more problems with crime than richer communities.
• In large part because of these factors, people in poor communities often have a very difficult time getting themselves out of poor communities.
• Therefore, people from poor communities tend to be less successful.
• Poor communities tend to have more black people than white people.
• Therefore, black people tend to be less successful than white people.
• Therefore, black people are more likely to live in poor communities than white people.
• Thus forms a vicious cycle of poverty.

A lot of people, knowing this, would propose that aid be given to black people in order to rectify this state.

Except, then not only are you helping out black people who don't need this assistance, but then you miss all the other people who need assistance - whatever skin color they may have.

And even if you expand to cover every group you'd care to name, you still wouldn't be attacking the root problem - that poverty is so incredibly hard to get out of. If we were to, instead of giving assistance on the basis of race and instead based upon one's need, not only would we still be giving assistance to those who need it by definition, we would be automatically covering only the people who need the assistance, also by definition.

Yes, yes, poverty is bad. No one's denying this. What, specifically, does this have to do with the existence of white privilege?

[New Aerios]

32 people think it's just another silly matter to exist in white-majority societies as an ethnic minority.

Motherfucking shit, are right-wingers nonsensical.

pehaps the phrase you are looking for is "what is wrong with white people?"

i use that phrase frequently these days.

Which would make you a racist. Nice one.

[Slavonian kingdom]

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

How about, I don't know, everything.

Look at any example of modern, urban culture and tell me that it can't be traced back to Africa. Most modern music has some ties to Africa.

I would agree that music can be traced to African American people but it was nothing to do with Africa. It was devrloped centuries later. Do rappers use drums in their music? No.

[Mavorpen]

How about, I don't know, everything.

Look at any example of modern, urban culture and tell me that it can't be traced back to Africa. Most modern music has some ties to Africa.

I would agree that music can be traced to African American people but it was nothing to do with Africa. It was devrloped centuries later. Do rappers use drums in their music? No.

Yes. Come on now, don't pretend you're a master on black culture. You clearly know absolutely nothing about it.

Also, "drums"? Really? Is THAT the extent of your knowledge concerning African music? Holy shit this is hilarious.

[Slavonian kingdom]

I would agree that music can be traced to African American people but it was nothing to do with Africa. It was devrloped centuries later. Do rappers use drums in their music? No.

Yes. Come on now, don't pretend you're a master on black culture. You clearly know absolutely nothing about it.

Also, "drums"? Really? Is THAT the extent of your knowledge concerning African music? Holy shit this is hilarious.

I could easily post some music where a white person use the same instrument, it does proove anything. I am not an expert on Amero-black music bit certanly I am.familiar with African music. Thetwo are just not the same. If anything capoera would be a real African trace and something like that there is no in the US.

You should also stop using to often racialist terms 'black". It is a social construct and the "blacks" in America does not have anything with Africa.

[The Grey Wolf]

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

How about, I don't know, everything.

Look at any example of modern, urban culture and tell me that it can't be traced back to Africa. Most modern music has some ties to Africa.

Most modern music also sucks ass, so I have no trouble believing this.

[Mavorpen]

I could easily post some music where a white person use the same instrument, it does proove anything.

...And? I never said that white musicians didn't use music that had strong influence in African music. In fact, that IS the case. Genres like country and rock that are today seem as preeminently "white" were largely pioneered by many black artists and drew inspiration from genres such as Jazz, Funk, etc. that were predominately black.

I am not an expert on Amero-black music bit certanly I am.familiar with African music. Thetwo are just not the same.

I didn't say they're the "same." That's fucking ludicrous. Actually read my posts. I said that African music formed the basis for these genres, which is true and counter to your incorrect claim that African culture had no significant impact on American culture.

[Mavorpen]

How about, I don't know, everything.

Look at any example of modern, urban culture and tell me that it can't be traced back to Africa. Most modern music has some ties to Africa.

Most modern music also sucks ass, so I have no trouble believing this.

Ooh, so edgy.

[Hindenburgia]

Every time this sort of discussion comes up, all but without fail the same two sides crop up - one saying that racial privilege is no longer an issue, and the other saying that is is currently an issue. The latter side looks to "dismantle power structure[s]" (direct quote from earlier in the thread) and so on, while the former side doesn't see this as necessary and often even sees it as harmful. I think both groups kind of miss the point, however.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that while it is definitely a bad sign when one racial group has a persistently lower income distribution than another, it is not necessarily a sign of racial privilege.

First, to grossly oversimplify the situation in as non-controversial a way as possible:

• Poor communities tend to lack educational opportunities and have more problems with crime than richer communities.
• In large part because of these factors, people in poor communities often have a very difficult time getting themselves out of poor communities.
• Therefore, people from poor communities tend to be less successful.
• Poor communities tend to have more black people than white people.
• Therefore, black people tend to be less successful than white people.
• Therefore, black people are more likely to live in poor communities than white people.
• Thus forms a vicious cycle of poverty.

A lot of people, knowing this, would propose that aid be given to black people in order to rectify this state.

Except, then not only are you helping out black people who don't need this assistance, but then you miss all the other people who need assistance - whatever skin color they may have.

And even if you expand to cover every group you'd care to name, you still wouldn't be attacking the root problem - that poverty is so incredibly hard to get out of. If we were to, instead of giving assistance on the basis of race and instead based upon one's need, not only would we still be giving assistance to those who need it by definition, we would be automatically covering only the people who need the assistance, also by definition.

Yes, yes, poverty is bad. No one's denying this. What, specifically, does this have to do with the existence of white privilege?

Basically, because conceptualizing this as racial privilege is missing the underlying issue.

Specifically, we shouldn't be giving aid based on race, as that helps people who do not need the aid as well as those who do, and misses people of other races who do. Rather, we should give aid solely to people who require aid.

This is something of a tautological statement, but that's the benefit of it - if we, across the board, give aid to people who require said aid, then we are, by definition, helping those who need it and not helping those who don't.

[Benuty]

This is not tumblr.

Disregarding white nationalism and similar reactionary shit, ideologies don't have determinate websites where they are appropriate and where they aren't. Also, I don't have a tumblr and I don't form my opinions there.

Dammit I wanted to mention stormfront then I saw that first part. Yet you do form your Yaoi fan-fiction superwholock crossovers there .

[Mavorpen]

Basically, because conceptualizing this as racial privilege is missing the underlying issue.

No it isn't. The existence of poverty does not negate the existence of white privilege. You've refused to demonstrate why this isn't the case.

Specifically, we shouldn't be giving aid based on race, as that helps people who do not need the aid as well as those who do, and misses people of other races who do. Rather, we should give aid solely to people who require aid.

Er, okay? Who said we SHOULDN'T be addressing poverty? You're in the wrong thread. This is about white privilege. Want to talk about welfare and poverty in general? Make your own thread.

This is something of a tautological statement, but that's the benefit of it - if we, across the board, give aid to people who require said aid, then we are, by definition, helping those who need it and not helping those who don't.

Or, we can do both. Really, we are capable of multitasking.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Disregarding white nationalism and similar reactionary shit, ideologies don't have determinate websites where they are appropriate and where they aren't. Also, I don't have a tumblr and I don't form my opinions there.

Dammit I wanted to mention stormfront then I saw that first part. Yet you do form your Yaoi fan-fiction superwholock crossovers there .

For some pretty 20 seconds I thought you were referring to Stormfront and got pretty deeply amusingly confused.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Which would make you a racist. Nice one.

Yes All Whites.

[Othelos]

Well, considering that many people are symbolic racists, I'm going to say that yeah, whites have some degree of privilege.

[Marcurix]

Most modern music also sucks ass, so I have no trouble believing this.

Ooh, so edgy.

A lot of it does suck though.

At least in my opinion.

[Anglo-California]

Somewhat. It's more of a range of skin tones rather a single color. Also, skin color isn't the only trait.

Whites largely have a lighter or ruddier complexion.

I'm not denying that.

[Mavorpen]

Ooh, so edgy.

A lot of it does suck though.

At least in my opinion.

Then stop listening to the radio and thinking that it represents even 10% of the music produced in the world.

[Korouse]

The only oppressed people in the U.S. are immigrants.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

The only oppressed people in the U.S. are immigrants.

NSG could use some interseccionality.

I mean, what's the problem of admitting that there are VARIOUS kinds of oppression and that none of them is absolute or overrides the other?

[Mustard Shack]

The term "white privilege" itself is misleading. A "privilege" is a right or benefit that is given to some people and not to others. We are 50 years past the Civil Rights Act, no one group is given advantage over another any longer in America. A more accurate word would be "advantage", because there is certainly social inequality in America, but of circumstance not by law.

I would say that overall in America, there is a sort of white advantage. Like I said, it's only been 50 years since the Civil Rights Act - while the law changes instantly, the culture takes some time. We can't deny that. But do I think we should actively try to reverse this advantage? No. We should try to understand it, and should try to work towards something better.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Bitterness aside, this is absolutely the case in the United States. Since the white privilege argument applies most strongly here, I naturally assumed that since you were including yourself as an example, you were a relevant one. I have no idea how it is where you live, and wouldn't presume to speak to it.

But you just did.

Yes, I thought that since he was including himself as an example, he was a relevant one, meaning that I thought that he lived in the United States. Much as if someone started spouting off about how unfair it was for tax dollars to go to the monarchy, I think that I would be forgiven for assuming that the person lived in the U.K.