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Does white privilege exist?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:07 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:Race does not exist. It is a social construct.

Slavery in the US was based on the social construct of race.

I'm still baffled that this even needs to be said.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:10 am

32 people think it's just another silly matter to exist in white-majority societies as an ethnic minority.

Motherfucking shit, are right-wingers nonsensical.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:15 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:32 people think it's just another silly matter to exist in white-majority societies as an ethnic minority.

Motherfucking shit, are right-wingers nonsensical.


pehaps the phrase you are looking for is "what is wrong with white people?"

i use that phrase frequently these days. i am utterly confused by the insistence on denying that minorities are treated badly.
whatever

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:17 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:32 people think it's just another silly matter to exist in white-majority societies as an ethnic minority.

Motherfucking shit, are right-wingers nonsensical.


pehaps the phrase you are looking for is "what is wrong with white people?"

i use that phrase frequently these days. i am utterly confused by the insistence on denying that minorities are treated badly.

Probably because of the belief that this is a zero-sum game, where if they lose the advantage, they'll eventually be the ones discriminated against and disadvantages. Which ironically acknowledges that minorities are, in fact, discriminated against. They just don't admit that.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Economic Invincibility » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:18 am

I was denied 18 jobs because I was a single white male after i graduated. A few even asked me why I bothered applying since I was a white single male because the job ad said EOO. This was before political correctness or the plethora of lawsuits pertaining to discrimination in the workplace.

Get over yourselves.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

I love how the least expeienced people feel they can judge everybody.

Is there discrimination? Yes. Everyone discriminates. Chinese favor Chinese, Jews favor Jews, blacks favor blacks, etc. I've observed it in every country I have been to.

Once people learn they can vote themselves money democracy will falter. We are well on our way.

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Postby Slavonian kingdom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:19 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:Race does not exist. It is a social construct.

Slavery in the US was based on the social construct of race.

Ok should we finally know abandom that social construct and abolish Black history month?

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:30 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
pehaps the phrase you are looking for is "what is wrong with white people?"

i use that phrase frequently these days. i am utterly confused by the insistence on denying that minorities are treated badly.

Probably because of the belief that this is a zero-sum game, where if they lose the advantage, they'll eventually be the ones discriminated against and disadvantages. Which ironically acknowledges that minorities are, in fact, discriminated against. They just don't admit that.

its a flaw in thinking that has troubled the US from the beginning. many white people were wary of ending slavery for fear that the ex slaves would rise up and slaughter the people who had treated them so badly.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:42 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Slavery in the US was based on the social construct of race.

Ok should we finally know abandom that social construct and abolish Black history month?

I agree, if we introduce African cultural into US education, widespread.

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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:43 am

Apparatchikstan wrote:I am an American southern white male born in the state of Georgia, raised in Tennessee, and currently languishing in Alabama. If white privilidge exists, then here, if anywhere, it's presence should be extremely evident, but I must confess that I've not received one consolation prize due to my lack of pigmentation. No trust fund, gold card, or even a modest stipend from Whitey & Associates for being born into the paleface club. No one taught me the secret handshake that grants me entrance into the executive white only dinner club where I can feast like a Viking in Valhalla.
I would think that if some institution existed here that propped up and primped the whites, my grandfather would have let me in on it. He was the last of my line to be a member of the Klan, so either they or their cousins the Democrat Party would have had something to offer me, if indeed such an unmerritorious system existed. But my Paw Paw never liked me much, and I'm a Republican, so maybe I'm disqualified and out of the know.


And I thought I was the only one who did not know. As a native of Georgia and resident of Louisiana. I did not receive my gold spoon, silver cup or Playboy Mansion key at birth either. In fact, I am using NS on a neighbors computer because I cannot afford internet. Work a minimal wage job, and drive a hand me down SUV which sucks the money out of my life. Maybe you have to be an extra good white male to get into that club. Wait, I have no criminal record, no history of ever even applying for government assistance, which I definitely qualify for, and am a active volunteer in my own state and community. Former member of the Georgia State Defense Force and generally informed citizen. Nope, still no golden spoon.

But I will call y'all when it comes in the mail.
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Postby Onza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:55 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:No, it is just that I see slavery as a social process that existed for milleniums. You are the one who sees slavery=blacks. Well since race is a social.construct blacks shoukd not be upset about slavery. Since race is a social construct black history month must be abolished.

This is wrong. Race is a social construct with no biological backings, but the result of this social construct is a system of institutionalized discrimination against people of color.

To simply start "ignoring" race is a) impossible and b) not the solution. Even if we did somehow all manage to start ignoring race, it is still something that affects people's everyday lives - positively for whites and negatively for people of color. We need to acknowledge this and work to remove the system of white power, not pretend that race doesn't exist and pat ourselves on the back for solving the problem.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:57 am

What did the whore call Bill O'Reilly?

An idiot.
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Postby Slavonian kingdom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:57 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:Ok should we finally know abandom that social construct and abolish Black history month?

I agree, if we introduce African cultural into US education, widespread.

If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:01 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I agree, if we introduce African cultural into US education, widespread.

If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

Except of course, this is bullshit to anyone that actually knows about US history.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:04 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:32 people think it's just another silly matter to exist in white-majority societies as an ethnic minority.

Motherfucking shit, are right-wingers nonsensical.


pehaps the phrase you are looking for is "what is wrong with white people?"

i use that phrase frequently these days. i am utterly confused by the insistence on denying that minorities are treated badly.

"what is wrong with black people?"

"what is wrong with Hispanic people?"

"what is wrong with Jewish people?"

You should know better. Generalizations are not a good idea.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Murkwood » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:04 am

Benuty wrote:What did the whore call Bill O'Reilly?

An idiot.

What whore?
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:06 am

Murkwood wrote:"what is wrong with black people?"

"what is wrong with Hispanic people?"

"what is wrong with Jewish people?"

You should know better. Generalizations are not a good idea.

Eh...

"What is wrong with rich people?"

"What is wrong with men?"

"What is wrong with heteros?"

"What is wrong with cis people?"

"What is wrong with able-bodied people?"

Better comparisons.
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Postby Slavonian kingdom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:07 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

Except of course, this is bullshit to anyone that actually knows about US history.

What part of your source are you adressing to?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:08 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:

What part of your source are you adressing to?

...The entire thing of course, considering it's entirely about the impact of African culture on the United States.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:08 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I agree, if we introduce African cultural into US education, widespread.

If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:10 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

And even after that, when black colleges started teaching courses on African culture, sparking a new infusion of African culture into the black community which consequently made its way through American culture in general.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Slavonian kingdom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:11 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:If you mean the Native African culture than no as it has nothing to do with the US. It should be part of World history instead.

Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:12 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

You must never have heard of rap.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:12 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

Yes there fucking is. Read my source.

Also: music. African music formed the basis for a lot of music genres including soul, R&B, hip hop, jazz, etc. Some of these genres then went on to inspire genres like even rock and roll (most of the earliest pioneers of rock and roll were, you guessed it, black).
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Onza » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:13 am

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Slaves brought their native African culture, incorporated it into US cultural, and made new variants to this day. We should teach it.

Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

How about, I don't know, everything.

Look at any example of modern, urban culture and tell me that it can't be traced back to Africa. Most modern music has some ties to Africa.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:13 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:Ok. But there is not much African cultural traces in the US. At least name one.

You must never have heard of rap.

My personal favorite example of that. If THAT doesn't scream "I'M INSPIRED BY AFRICAN CULTURE!" then nothing does.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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