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You want to know what is even more racist? Using racism as an excuse.

Old Tyrannia wrote:

Murkwood wrote:It shows the worst of both the PC crowd and the xenophobes.

This. Oh, so much this. I don't know who in this thread makes me want to tear my hair out more; the racialist types who are trying to make out that rape is normal for Pakistanis and all Pakistanis are primitive barbarians who are Ruining This Country, or the PC patrol who brush over the fact that these gangs are overwhelmingly made up of British Asians because any acknowledgment that there may be a racial aspect to the abuse or that there is an unsavoury subculture among British Asians would be racist, thus feeding the xenophobes' flames.

It's all a clusterfuck.

Murkwood wrote:

Old Tyrannia wrote:This. Oh, so much this. I don't know who in this thread makes me want to tear my hair out more; the racialist types who are trying to make out that rape is normal for Pakistanis and all Pakistanis are primitive barbarians who are Ruining This Country, or the PC patrol who brush over the fact that these gangs are overwhelmingly made up of British Asians because any acknowledgment that there may be a racial aspect to the abuse or that there is an unsavoury subculture among British Asians would be racist, thus feeding the xenophobes' flames.

It's all a clusterfuck.

If I may shed some sense into all this, I think the one thing we can agree on is that Organized Crime is bad.

This Organized Crime circle, even though the perpetrators happen to be Pakistani, is nothing new.

Everyone can do it with the proper resources and the twisted mind we have as human beings. The problem is that these people, instead of addressing the issue, let it devolve into a case of mass corruption as DesAnges pointed out earlier on in an article he posted.

It doesn't have to be PC, it doesn't have to be a racist issue, but both sides can and should agree that this is a bad thing going on in England and that something should have been done about it instead of having this devolve into a case of "your racist!" "No, we're not racists! You guys are whining too much!"

And I think this is a valuable lesson we can learn in terms of crime - instead of politicizing shit to score racist or PC points why don't we just agree that whatever the fuck we're arguing is a problem and that it should be addressed regardless without taking jabs at each other and more importantly, in a manner that is just and fair.

But of course, this cannot happen neither in real life or NSG, so I just wasted my brain cells typing this rather rational response.

Olivaero wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
People like to say 'Eastern Europeans' and 'Western Europeans' so why not admit that non-Islamic Asian nations are very different from Islamic Asian nations?

The press doesn't have the guts to focus on the specific nationalities of the people. Pakistan is not Taiwan, don't link them together. We need to track what nationalities have higher crime rates and stop immigration from these nations. This will also help citizens know which nationalities are more likely to commit more crimes so we can keep a closer eye on them.

A translation of the bolded: "This will fuel racial prejudices and make simply being of pakistani origin worthy of suspicion"

Your twisted fucking Authoritarianism doesn't belong in the UK It's a stain upon it The things that these people did were terrible but the reasons are far more complicated than them just being Pakistani and issuing directives like "Be suspiscious of these foreigners" definetly doesn't lead to a safer society, well at least not for those with coloured skin but I guess you don't really give a fuck about them do you?

Oh but you'll say, I don't have a problem with races I just think Pakistanis have a harmful culture, but Telling people to be suspicious of pakistanis doesn't just make people suspicious of pakistanis because you can't tell what nationality some one is from a glance. It makes it a racial issue and ultimately makes our society less tolerant of other cultures and races.

The goal is to encourage nationalities to try not to commit crimes if they don't want to embarrass their nation and nationality. If Pakistanis don't commit crimes than people will focus on the Romanians, Bulgarians, or whichever immigrant group commits the crimes. Think of it as friendly competition to see which group will be the lowest offender in crime rates (per capita to be fair). Maybe the Brits will have the highest rate and it will prove diversity can be good for the country (I advocate immigration if it strengthens the nation-ex. nations that are wealthier and have lower crime rates and better education rates than the accepting nation). Stats could even be on the internet of all the races and crime rates per 1,000. They could be updated weekly or monthly.

No authoritarianism-Pakistanis would still have equal rights. They might just get a few more stares by neighbors but this is not taking away their rights.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Olivaero wrote:A translation of the bolded: "This will fuel racial prejudices and make simply being of pakistani origin worthy of suspicion"

Your twisted fucking Authoritarianism doesn't belong in the UK It's a stain upon it The things that these people did were terrible but the reasons are far more complicated than them just being Pakistani and issuing directives like "Be suspiscious of these foreigners" definetly doesn't lead to a safer society, well at least not for those with coloured skin but I guess you don't really give a fuck about them do you?

Oh but you'll say, I don't have a problem with races I just think Pakistanis have a harmful culture, but Telling people to be suspicious of pakistanis doesn't just make people suspicious of pakistanis because you can't tell what nationality some one is from a glance. It makes it a racial issue and ultimately makes our society less tolerant of other cultures and races.

The goal is to encourage nationalities to try not to commit crimes if they don't want to embarrass their nation and nationality. If Pakistanis don't commit crimes than people will focus on the Romanians, Bulgarians, or whichever immigrant group commits the crimes. Think of it as friendly competition to see which group will be the lowest offender in crime rates (per capita to be fair). Maybe the Brits will have the highest rate and it will prove diversity can be good for the country (I advocate immigration if it strengthens the nation-ex. nations that are wealthier and have lower crime rates and better education rates than the accepting nation). Stats could even be on the internet of all the races and crime rates per 1,000. They could be updated weekly or monthly.

No authoritarianism-Pakistanis would still have equal rights. They might just get a few more stares by neighbors but this is not taking away their rights.

Crime shouldn't be treated as a popularity contest or even "let's see how many people are criminals today". It already is an issue, the problem is what are we going to do about it? Racial profiling is not the answer because it will fan the flames of racists.

I don't even...

Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

What on earth is this.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

I'll take being called a racist over children being raped any day.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

You are a racist, islamophobist, classist, communist conspiracy theorist and your should feel bad

DesAnges wrote:

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

What on earth is this.

Someone who doesn't understand the point.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Someone who doesn't understand the point.

I think the point is that some people will label people for anything and to refuse to do the right thing out of fear of being labeled is stupid.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

Soldati senza confini wrote:Someone who doesn't understand the point.

I think the point is that some people will label people for anything and to refuse to do the right thing out of fear of being labeled is stupid.

It is, indeed, which is why I wrote above the following:

Soldati senza confini wrote:It doesn't have to be PC, it doesn't have to be a racist issue, but both sides can and should agree that this is a bad thing going on in England and that something should have been done about it instead of having this devolve into a case of "your racist!" "No, we're not racists! You guys are whining too much!"

And I think this is a valuable lesson we can learn in terms of crime - instead of politicizing shit to score racist or PC points why don't we just agree that whatever the fuck we're arguing is a problem and that it should be addressed regardless without taking jabs at each other and more importantly, in a manner that is just and fair.

Am I late for the "Blame PC" and "Other cultures are way below us to live with us" party?

Okay, this is horrifying, but if I hear any more ethnocentric malarkey I'm going to burst into candy. Sour candy.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Not unless you are going to claim their skin tone made them do it.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

No. Just prejudiced towards a very particular social group. After all, you very explicitly said:

Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

Sounds to me like you have some prejudice issues, but it's alright. We love you despite your glaring flaws.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

Not unless you go Benghazi on us.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Indeed, we would call you Islamophobic, because it seems that the first thing that came to your mind when you heard of this was "Their religion had something to do with it!"

As if the culprits couldn't have just been horrible human beings who happened to belong to a particular ethnic or religious minority. No, their ethnic or religious heritage MUST be related to it.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

Implying that:
a) Those who advocate for political correctness see "communist" as a slur or a derogatory term.
b) Those who advocate for political correctness see the denounciation of Sharia law as something belonging to those on the far-left.
c) That those who advocate for political correctness endorse Sharia law and care not for human rights.

Boy, that's an awful lot of underlying lies to support your self-victimizing malarkey.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Rapers should be tried and punished. PCers will call me a racist.

Rapists. This isn't Westeros. And you don't appear racist.

Police and Social Workers and Local government Officers deliberately and with malice aforethought enabled and encouraged the Rapers. They should be tried and punished too. Most of those Police etc are White, Middle-Class, bleeding-heart, middle-everything. PCers will call me classist.

No, that's not classist.

This cover-up has been going on for 17 years. PCers will call me conspracy theorist.

You don't appear to be a conspiracy theorist either.

SPECULATION: I suspect islamicist priests were involved, they should be investigated. PCers will call me islamophobist.

Islamaphobe. And yes, you win on that one.

Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

No, we're still on Islamaphobe.

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Liriena wrote:Am I late for the "Blame PC" and "Other cultures are way below us to live with us" party?

Okay, this is horrifying, but if I hear any more ethnocentric malarkey I'm going to burst into candy. Sour candy.

It's never too late for the "Blame PC" and "Other cultures are way below us to live with us" party.

Liriena wrote:Am I late for the "Blame PC" and "Other cultures are way below us to live with us" party?

Okay, this is horrifying, but if I hear any more ethnocentric malarkey I'm going to burst into candy. Sour candy.

Tasty. Unless, is that like sour grapes?

Neutraligon wrote:

Liriena wrote:Am I late for the "Blame PC" and "Other cultures are way below us to live with us" party?

Okay, this is horrifying, but if I hear any more ethnocentric malarkey I'm going to burst into candy. Sour candy.

Tasty. Unless, is that like sour grapes?

They are acid. :3

Zelitopia wrote: For example it is ok to prosecute white pedophiles but not Latino or Black pedophiles.

BULLSHIT

Liriena wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:
Tasty. Unless, is that like sour grapes?

They are acid. :3

Hydrochloric Candies^®: Taste The Burn

Zelitopia wrote:This happens in the US also, just a lot more frequently where pedophiles are prosecuted depending on whether or not they are a member of a "protected group". For example it is ok to prosecute white pedophiles but not Latino or Black pedophiles.

Yea, right; keep telling yourself that.

Zelitopia wrote:This happens in the US also, just a lot more frequently where pedophiles are prosecuted depending on whether or not they are a member of a "protected group". For example it is ok to prosecute white pedophiles but not Latino or Black pedophiles.

Load of crap.

I don't get This. Some of the social workers have been found, by an independent inquiry, to have been taking a 'hands off' approach to child sex abuse for fear of being labelled racist and people are just dismissing it as having nothing to with race or race relations and that people who think it is are just racist. Even though the report found it had to do with fear of being labelled racist and that the authorities were worried about race relations being affected.

I think this whole case is horrifying and there needs to be a massive re-vamp of how cases of child abuse are dealt with. It shouldn't matter who the perpetrators are, only that they are caught and punished and I think this is something that needs to really be emphasised in these government departments. If you have evidence of abuse, investigate it, regardless of the ethnicities of the perpetrators. If you happen to come across a gang of child abusers who all come from a particular ethnic group, it shouldn't matter. They are breaking the law and should be punished.

Mushet wrote:

Zelitopia wrote:This happens in the US also, just a lot more frequently where pedophiles are prosecuted depending on whether or not they are a member of a "protected group". For example it is ok to prosecute white pedophiles but not Latino or Black pedophiles.

Load of crap.

PCers also had a long term policy of covering up rapes committed by Celebrities and Roman priests.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Shariah destroys all Human Rights. PCers will call me communist.

Implying that:
a) Those who advocate for political correctness see "communist" as a slur or a derogatory term.
b) Those who advocate for political correctness see the denounciation of Sharia law as something belonging to those on the far-left.
c) That those who advocate for political correctness endorse Sharia law and care not for human rights.

Boy, that's an awful lot of underlying lies to support your self-victimizing malarkey.

Sharia insists that rape-victims must be stoned to death.
PCers love Sharia because "It's part of their culture."
PCers have corrupted the concept of "Human Rights" so much that the Human Rights Act has been written to make it impossible to punish islamicist terrorists.

PCism is all middle-class, middle-everything: any non-believers in PCism will be dismissed as extreme left, extreme right, extreme North, extreme South etc.

This is not Westeros.

The usual words are "rapists" and "murderers". I am verboten to say "rapers" and "murderists". PCers change words all the time.

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:

Mushet wrote:Load of crap.

PCers also had a long term policy of covering up rapes committed by Celebrities and Roman priests.