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Should Woman also have to register for the draft?

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No
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:58 pm

When the draft is necessary, it is necessary that every citizen be eligible, both as a right and a duty to their country.

Anything less is a violation of the principles that modern conscription is founded upon.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:47 pm

No one should have to register for the draft. It is forced labor and unconstitutional.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:49 pm

No one should have to, the draft shouldn't exist.

If it is to exist, it should harm everyone regardless of sex.
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Postby Vicious Debaters » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:53 pm

I don't like the concept of a draft.

But if you're going to have one, go ahead and draft women too.
I could see not drafting women if we lived in a feudal kingdom and pure physical strength and testosterone was the main thing that made a good warrior. But nowadays with all the technology, I don't see a significant difference between the functionality of men and women soldiers.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:05 pm

Murkwood wrote:Women can't do the same things men do, and men can't do the same things women can do. It's simple.



Correct, women cannot impregnate women and men cannot ovulate

But none of the differences are really applicable to the topic. Women CAN write and women CAN serve in the armed forces....so they are capable of both registering and serving.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:07 pm

Women should be drafted if men have to be drafted. Drafting men only is arguably sexist.

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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:08 pm

No, no one should ever have to be drafted into the military.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:35 pm

It's all fun an games to claim no one should ever be drafted, but when we have another world war and our survival is on the line, there will be a draft and it will be necessary.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:44 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:It's all fun an games to claim no one should ever be drafted, but when we have another world war and our survival is on the line, there will be a draft and it will be necessary.


What about having the freedom to choose your own job?

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:50 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Women can't do the same things men do, and men can't do the same things women can do. It's simple.



Correct, women cannot impregnate women and men cannot ovulate

But none of the differences are really applicable to the topic. Women CAN write and women CAN serve in the armed forces....so they are capable of both registering and serving.


Would you want your daughter or sister to be forced to fight in the trenches? Women should not be exposed to combat, especially when it comes to fighting overseas.

Perhaps all female national guard units could be set up for home defense and so women can protect themselves if we are invaded. However, serving in these units should be voluntary.

I also dislike the idea of women being forced to serve next to hormone crazed male soldiers in combat situations. This can and will lead to rapes. Comfort women can be brought to prevent this but I doubt the military would support bringing prostitutes to the frontlines, especially when it comes to using tax dollars to transport prostitutes from the USA to other countries (very controversial).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:53 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Would you want your daughter or sister to be forced to fight in the trenches? Women should not be exposed to combat, especially when it comes to fighting overseas.

I'd be concerned for them, same as I would for a brother or a son. I don't see why you think women shouldn't be exposed to combat moreso than men.
Perhaps all female national guard units could be set up for home defense and so women can protect themselves if we are invaded. However, serving in these units should be voluntary.

I also dislike the idea of women being forced to serve next to hormone crazed male soldiers in combat situations. This can and will lead to rapes. Comfort women can be brought to prevent this but I doubt the military would support bringing prostitutes to the frontlines, especially when it comes to using tax dollars to transport prostitutes from the USA to other countries (very controversial)

You... aren't familiar with the reasons for rape or the overwhelming historical failures of 'comfort women' to prevent rape upon the civilian population, are you?
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Postby SaintB » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:53 pm

Selective service should be abolished. Barring that all eligible men and women should have to register.
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Postby Warpspace » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:04 pm

Better idea, let's get rid of the draft in the first place.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:09 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Would you want your daughter or sister to be forced to fight in the trenches? Women should not be exposed to combat, especially when it comes to fighting overseas.

I'd be concerned for them, same as I would for a brother or a son. I don't see why you think women shouldn't be exposed to combat moreso than men.
Perhaps all female national guard units could be set up for home defense and so women can protect themselves if we are invaded. However, serving in these units should be voluntary.

I also dislike the idea of women being forced to serve next to hormone crazed male soldiers in combat situations. This can and will lead to rapes. Comfort women can be brought to prevent this but I doubt the military would support bringing prostitutes to the frontlines, especially when it comes to using tax dollars to transport prostitutes from the USA to other countries (very controversial)

You... aren't familiar with the reasons for rape or the overwhelming historical failures of 'comfort women' to prevent rape upon the civilian population, are you?


The Japanese men in WW2 raped Chinese and Korean women because they were sadistic and wanted to further torture people that viewed as deserving torture (simply for not being Japanese). Rape satisfied their twisted desire to enact as much suffering as possible.

US soldiers rape women for a different reason. It is because of the shortage of females available for them and they have hormonal urges they can't satisfy. Prostitution is illegal in the USA and for some soldiers, even ugly women are not available (even ugly women are in short supply in military towns) and for those without self-control they will rape. This is also why some prisoners rape others as well, even if they would prefer to have sex with a woman.

US soldiers compare to prisoners in some way. They are trapped in a place without enough females and it makes some of them go crazy. War time prostitutes (properly tested for safety of course) will satisfy their urges, boost morale, and provide jobs for uneducated women that need to work. The ladies' self-esteem will also be boosted because they can say they sacrificed themselves to serve their nation's fighting men (even if the real reason was to make money).
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:09 pm

I believe the draft is rather anachronistic, so it is irrelevant if women are included or not.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:28 pm

Yes, if we have to have a draft.

Although, having a draft at all, regardless of gender, is nonsensical and it needs to be abolished ASAP.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:30 pm

Well, traditionally, when men went to war, women stayed and worked in the munitions factories. Soldiers need to have bulletts, so let the ladies make them. That simple.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:33 pm

I don't believe Draft's should happen. But since men are required to do it, I don't see why women shouldn't.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:37 pm

The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, traditionally, when men went to war, women stayed and worked in the munitions factories. Soldiers need to have bulletts, so let the ladies make them. That simple.

I can think of numerous better job qualifications, for soldiers and arms manufacturers both, than 'Got penis?'.

I'd say let the ones less qualified to shoot da' bad guys make the guns. Seems a good deal more logical.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:39 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, traditionally, when men went to war, women stayed and worked in the munitions factories. Soldiers need to have bulletts, so let the ladies make them. That simple.

I can think of numerous better job qualifications, for soldiers and arms manufacturers both, than 'Got penis?'.

I'd say let the ones less qualified to shoot da' bad guys make the guns. Seems a good deal more logical.

I'm not against women in the military, if that's what you're implying, I just don't see the problem with not actually drafting women.

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Postby Qubec » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:43 pm

I think they should have to register for the draft just like guys but I don't think that in the event of a draft if the woman is married and has kids only one parent should go. But if they are single or have no kids then they should have to go

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:44 pm

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Occupied Deutschland wrote:I can think of numerous better job qualifications, for soldiers and arms manufacturers both, than 'Got penis?'.

I'd say let the ones less qualified to shoot da' bad guys make the guns. Seems a good deal more logical.

I'm not against women in the military, if that's what you're implying, I just don't see the problem with not actually drafting women.

Under what justification, though?

Women aren't inherently better ammo-plant workers. Drafts reject those found unsuitable to military service. Rather nonsensical to reject half or more of the population immediately from consideration if one's aim is to have the best military, as the mere broader pool of candidates means better standards across the board for those inducted into military service.
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:01 pm

I don't think women should be drafted, though I also oppose constriction at all times.

Greater Weselton wrote:No one should have to register for the draft. It is forced labor and unconstitutional.

I actually agree with you.
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Postby Afro-Euasia » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:01 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:No one should have to register for the draft. It is forced labor and unconstitutional.

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United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I don't think women should be drafted, though I also oppose constriction at all times.

Then they should not get equal pay
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