Neo-Conservatism: Bomb this thread, we have Oil

[Pandeeria]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

Socialism isn't a threat to the US.

[Libertarian California]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

Socialism isn't a threat to the US.

I'm aware. But I say that to give some context to right-wingers who think voting Republican actually solves issues and advances our cause. The Republicans are part of the problem.

[The New Sea Territory]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

Leftist roots. Maybe if anti-com interventionism is what you mean.

Socialism isn't a threat to America and really hasn't been since the 60s. If you're talking about progressive stuff, that's Mixed Economy, not socialism.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Not a neo-con but it has good points sometimes.

I actually have a lot of trouble with some of the labels and labellings. I don't consider myself a conservative but I am right-leaning moderate. I don't consider libertarians conservatives either but they have some conservative values. Neo-Con just seems to take many conservative viewpoints and blows them out of proportion, but I do agree that we need a strong military presence, I just don't think we should be world police.

[Arkolon]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

Leftist roots. Maybe if anti-com interventionism is what you mean.

Socialism isn't a threat to America and really hasn't been since the 60s. If you're talking about progressive stuff, that's Mixed Economy, not socialism.

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists.

[Libertarian California]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

Leftist roots. Maybe if anti-com interventionism is what you mean.

Socialism isn't a threat to America and really hasn't been since the 60s. If you're talking about progressive stuff, that's Mixed Economy, not socialism.

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists (many of them Jews) who were opposed to Soviet atheism and Stalin's "nationalism". They came to the United States, where they saw America as a useful tool in halting Soviet expansion. While this is a cause I can agree with, it has outlived it's usefulness and must be replaced.

[Pandeeria]

Socialism isn't a threat to the US.

I'm aware. But I say that to give some context to right-wingers who think voting Republican actually solves issues and advances our cause. The Republicans are part of the problem.

Republicanism (as in the US Conservative Party) essentially gives a "fuck you" to most forms of social or economic progression.

ObamaCare? No.
Smaller Defense Budget? No.
LGBT Rights? No.
Abortion Rights? No.
Legalized Marijuana? No.
Clean Energy? No.
Proper Corporate Regulation? No.
Abolishment of Death Penalty? No.
Raise Minimum Wage? No.

[The New Sea Territory]

Not a neo-con but it has good points sometimes.

I actually have a lot of trouble with some of the labels and labellings. I don't consider myself a conservative but I am right-leaning moderate. I don't consider libertarians conservatives either but they have some conservative values. Neo-Con just seems to take many conservative viewpoints and blows them out of proportion, but I do agree that we need a strong military presence, I just don't think we should be world police.

What good points can corporate imperialism give?

Libertarians have NO conservative views. If they do, they are conservatives with a few liberal of libertarian views, not the other way around. Any non-hypocritical libertarian is a minarchist, social anarchist or market anarchist.

Really now? Neo-Cons do blow it out, but what about the Religious Right Wrong?

Why do we need a strong military presence, and where do you want it? Just some random 'stan that has oil?

Neo-Cons are pro-Team America World Police.

[The New Sea Territory]

Leftist roots. Maybe if anti-com interventionism is what you mean.

Socialism isn't a threat to America and really hasn't been since the 60s. If you're talking about progressive stuff, that's Mixed Economy, not socialism.

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists (many of them Jews) who were opposed to Soviet atheism and Stalin's "nationalism". They came to the United States, where saw America as a useful tool in halting Soviet expansion. While this is a cause I can agree with, it has outlived it's usefulness and must be replaced.

When did it ever have usefulness? How is invading any country justified? "Cause Communism, Atheism, Soviets! If we don't defend [insert obscure country no one knows about] from Soviet influence, they'll be invading Wyoming next week!!!!"

[Libertarian California]

I'm aware. But I say that to give some context to right-wingers who think voting Republican actually solves issues and advances our cause. The Republicans are part of the problem.

Republicanism (as in the US Conservative Party) essentially gives a "fuck you" to most forms of social or economic progression.

ObamaCare? No.
Smaller Defense Budget? No.
LGBT Rights? No.
Abortion Rights? No.
Legalized Marijuana? No.
Clean Energy? No.
Proper Corporate Regulation? No.
Abolishment of Death Penalty? No.
Raise Minimum Wage? No.

I was talking more from a right-wing perspective, saying how the Republicans do little further actual right-wing causes and are blatantly in it for themselves and their own wealth and power, but yeah.

[Pandeeria]

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists (many of them Jews) who were opposed to Soviet atheism and Stalin's "nationalism". They came to the United States, where saw America as a useful tool in halting Soviet expansion. While this is a cause I can agree with, it has outlived it's usefulness and must be replaced.

When did it ever have usefulness? How is invading any country justified? "Cause Communism, Atheism, Soviets! If we don't defend [insert obscure country no one knows about] from Soviet influence, they'll be invading Wyoming next week!!!!"

Do you think the Domino theory is bullshit?

[Libertarian California]

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists (many of them Jews) who were opposed to Soviet atheism and Stalin's "nationalism". They came to the United States, where saw America as a useful tool in halting Soviet expansion. While this is a cause I can agree with, it has outlived it's usefulness and must be replaced.

When did it ever have usefulness? How is invading any country justified? "Cause Communism, Atheism, Soviets! If we don't defend [insert obscure country no one knows about] from Soviet influence, they'll be invading Wyoming next week!!!!"

It was useful because the Soviet Union was a very real threat.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Not a neo-con but it has good points sometimes.

I actually have a lot of trouble with some of the labels and labellings. I don't consider myself a conservative but I am right-leaning moderate. I don't consider libertarians conservatives either but they have some conservative values. Neo-Con just seems to take many conservative viewpoints and blows them out of proportion, but I do agree that we need a strong military presence, I just don't think we should be world police.

What good points can corporate imperialism give?

Libertarians have NO conservative views. If they do, they are conservatives with a few liberal of libertarian views, not the other way around. Any non-hypocritical libertarian is a minarchist, social anarchist or market anarchist.

Really now? Neo-Cons do blow it out, but what about the Religious Right Wrong?

Why do we need a strong military presence, and where do you want it? Just some random 'stan that has oil?

Neo-Cons are pro-Team America World Police.

Do you really think we don't need a strong military? Do you honestly believe that everyone will just leave us alone and things will be all hunky-dorey if we downsize our military?

[The New Sea Territory]

When did it ever have usefulness? How is invading any country justified? "Cause Communism, Atheism, Soviets! If we don't defend [insert obscure country no one knows about] from Soviet influence, they'll be invading Wyoming next week!!!!"

Do you think the Domino theory is bullshit?

I think the idea that somehow, if Vietnam goes communist, they pose a threat to the US as absolute fearmongering. The Domino Theory should be irrelevant, I don't give a fuck who is and isn't "communist", because it's not America, it's not harming us, and we aren't the fucking world police.

[The New Sea Territory]

When did it ever have usefulness? How is invading any country justified? "Cause Communism, Atheism, Soviets! If we don't defend [insert obscure country no one knows about] from Soviet influence, they'll be invading Wyoming next week!!!!"

It was useful because the Soviet Union was a very real threat.

We have nukes, they have nukes. Bam. Done. Threat eliminated, MAD, everyone will just be on edge but no war is happening.

What good points can corporate imperialism give?

Libertarians have NO conservative views. If they do, they are conservatives with a few liberal of libertarian views, not the other way around. Any non-hypocritical libertarian is a minarchist, social anarchist or market anarchist.

Really now? Neo-Cons do blow it out, but what about the Religious Right Wrong?

Why do we need a strong military presence, and where do you want it? Just some random 'stan that has oil?

Neo-Cons are pro-Team America World Police.

Do you really think we don't need a strong military? Do you honestly believe that everyone will just leave us alone and things will be all hunky-dorey if we downsize our military?

The state should cease to exist, and America should be dissolved into a Voluntary Autonomous Zone. you're arguing within the realm of American politics and I'm an anarchist, there is no real way for me to answer this question. The "America" you want to defend is an arbitrary set of violently-enforced lines that outline the territory in which the state can exercise it's monopoly on the initiation of force.

The state should dissolve, and private armies/voluntary armies should replace it to defend the new unified, synthesis anarchist federation.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

I'm aware. But I say that to give some context to right-wingers who think voting Republican actually solves issues and advances our cause. The Republicans are part of the problem.

Republicanism (as in the US Conservative Party) essentially gives a "fuck you" to most forms of social or economic progression.

ObamaCare? No.
Smaller Defense Budget? No.
LGBT Rights? No.
Abortion Rights? No.
Legalized Marijuana? No.
Clean Energy? No.
Proper Corporate Regulation? No.
Abolishment of Death Penalty? No.
Raise Minimum Wage? No.

ObamaCare? Flat out no. Needs to be completely overhauled to be successful, which at its present state is a mess.
Smaller Defense Budget? I'm ok with a small cut to defense, but nothing exaggerated.
LGBT Rights? Needs to change, I agree.
Abortion Rights? Needs to change, I agree.
Legalized Marijuana? Needs to change, I agree.
Clean Energy? Cheap energy is what I advocate, whatever that may be.
Proper Corporate Regulation? Moderate regulation. We don't want to strangle business.
Abolishment of Death Penalty? Flat out no. We already have too many people in our prison system and should work to lower the costs of the death penalty so that it is actually a suitable option instead of placing people in prison for life with no parole.
Raise Minimum Wage? Only thing I would accept atm is a yearly change due to inflation.

[Rebellious Fishermen]

Do you really think we don't need a strong military? Do you honestly believe that everyone will just leave us alone and things will be all hunky-dorey if we downsize our military?

The state should cease to exist, and America should be dissolved into a Voluntary Autonomous Zone. you're arguing within the realm of American politics and I'm an anarchist, there is no real way for me to answer this question. The "America" you want to defend is an arbitrary set of violently-enforced lines that outline the territory in which the state can exercise it's monopoly on the initiation of force.

The state should dissolve, and private armies/voluntary armies should replace it to defend the new unified, synthesis anarchist federation.

With that viewpoint you will never get very far in any kind of discussion or progress for what you want to change.

[The New Sea Territory]

ObamaCare? Flat out no. Needs to be completely overhauled to be successful, which at its present state is a mess.
Smaller Defense Budget? I'm ok with a small cut to defense, but nothing exaggerated.
LGBT Rights? Needs to change, I agree.
Abortion Rights? Needs to change, I agree.
Legalized Marijuana? Needs to change, I agree.
Clean Energy? Cheap energy is what I advocate, whatever that may be.
Proper Corporate Regulation? Moderate regulation. We don't want to strangle business.
Abolishment of Death Penalty? Flat out no. We already have too many people in our prison system and should work to lower the costs of the death penalty so that it is actually a suitable option instead of placing people in prison for life with no parole.
Raise Minimum Wage? Only thing I would accept atm is a yearly change due to inflation.

Ironically, you should support Obamacare. It came from a right-wing think tank.
Stop supporting neocolonial military-industrial complex corporate nonsense.
Good, good and good.
I don't see why you wouldn't be for green energy.
And you call yourself a capitalist?
Maybe we should stop fucking arresting people for victimless crimes and you should stop advocating systematic murder.
A living wage in the US is above $18 and hour. Our minimum wage is lower than that. Just sayin.

[The New Sea Territory]

The state should cease to exist, and America should be dissolved into a Voluntary Autonomous Zone. you're arguing within the realm of American politics and I'm an anarchist, there is no real way for me to answer this question. The "America" you want to defend is an arbitrary set of violently-enforced lines that outline the territory in which the state can exercise it's monopoly on the initiation of force.

The state should dissolve, and private armies/voluntary armies should replace it to defend the new unified, synthesis anarchist federation.

With that viewpoint you will never get very far in any kind of discussion or progress for what you want to change.

Oh, actually I do get very far in conversation. Just not with conservatives. Conservatives make claims that are just flat out wrong, and I see no reason to debate a ideology whose proponents glorify living outside of the realm of logic.

[Murkwood]

Neoconservatism is an evil ideology with leftist roots that disguises itself with nationalist robes to get us involved in foreign wars. Neoconservatism is probably a bigger threat to America than socialism at the moment.

What? That's crazy.

[Murkwood]

Leftist roots. Maybe if anti-com interventionism is what you mean.

Socialism isn't a threat to America and really hasn't been since the 60s. If you're talking about progressive stuff, that's Mixed Economy, not socialism.

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists.

And the Volkswagen was created by Nazi Germany. What's the point?

[Benuty]

Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists.

And the Volkswagen was created by Nazi Germany. What's the point?

Its hypocrisy being the main point.

[Murkwood]

And the Volkswagen was created by Nazi Germany. What's the point?

Its hypocrisy being the main point.

How is it hypocritical?

[Benuty]

Its hypocrisy being the main point.

How is it hypocritical?

Well for one it argues one point while propping up a disastrously inflated military industrial complex with ideas of returning the U.S back to a dead bygone era.

[The Scientific States]

I'm not a neoconservative, but I occasionally find myself agreeing with neocons. I tend to be a bit interventionist, which is why I believe that our intervention in Libya was justified, and why I believe that we need to intervene in Syria. In this case, "we" is the USA.

Now, I don't support invading dictatorial hellholes just because we suspect they have WMDs, alongside other things that neocons typically support, such as a larger military. I think the military is a fine size at the moment.