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80% of NYC HS grads "unprepared for community college"

Postby Burleson » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:58 pm

New York City’s literacy rates are on the decline: nearly 80 percent of high school graduates lack basic skills like reading, writing and math and are required to relearn them before qualifying for community college.

During his most recent State of the City address, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg hyped about the large investment the city has made on education – a multi-billion dollar investment that seems to have done little to help the city’s teens.



Critics pointed out that just 13 percent of black and Latino students graduate from New York City schools with the skills required for community college – and overall, 80 percent of all graduates lack these skills.



“He will be remembered as the Mayor of Education Failure, and his final speech ignored that reality. He has harmed our communities and families, and we cannot wait to see a new mayor replace him,” parent Zakiyah Ansari of New Yorkers for Great Public Schools told the New York Daily News.



The number of students who lack crucial reading, writing and math skills is the highest it has been in years, CBS 2 reports. Officials from City University told the news station that 79.3 percent of graduates, or 10,700 students, who arrived to take a test to get into community college last year failed and were required to relearn basic skills that should have been taught in high school. This is a sharp increase from the 71.4 percent who were lacking the skills in 2007.



With such a high number of uneducated students, City University has launched a program to help struggling high school grads. Called the CUNY Start, the program provides cheap immersion classes that help New York teens catch up with those who are prepared for college.



“They get lost sometimes in the classroom and in CUNY Start we give them a lot more one-on-one attention, small group work,” Sherry Mason, who teaches a writing class, told CBS. “It helps them achieve more in a short amount of time and so they’re able to get on with their credit classes.”



But students who are forced to shell out $1,000 or more for courses that bear no college credit are disappointed that their high schools failed to prepare them for college.



“The basics that I’m receiving now should have been taught in high school,” Feona Wilson, a high school graduate from Brooklyn, told the New York Post. “It’s more money coming out of your pocket.”



Despite efforts by lawmakers to improve high school education, the US still lags in comparison to other developed countries. In 2012, the US placed 17thin the developed world for education, according to a report by Pearson. Finland and South Korea topped the lost of 40 countries. But when it comes to math, Americans are in the bottom half, with US students ranking 25thout of developing countries.



Experts have warned that American students’ comparatively average to low performance could threaten the country’s future economic growth. And with 80 percent of New York’s high school graduates unprepared for community college, Bloomberg’s large education investments appear to have been ineffectively used.

- http://rt.com/usa/nyc-graduates-unable-to-read-011/

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Wikipedia wrote:It has been estimated that areas in the United States with higher immigrant populations have the lowest literacy rates in the country

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

This is just pathetic... It's amazing that a city can be that stupid. This just shows the failure of liberal education policies. It doesn't need to be said that New York needs to fix this. Fixing this problem will lead to a drastic reduction in crime and poverty. In my opinion, the best way to fix this gruesome problem is to take a stronger stance on drugs so students can have the cognitive ability to use basic skills such as reading.

Mod edit: Title change from "80% can't read"
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No amount of money can fix cultural values that don't always emphasize intellect as valuable.
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A fine show of true progress!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:00 pm

You're using RT? Really? Until we can get a good source I'm gonna have to call bullshit.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:00 pm

I didn't read any of this, but my bullshit meter is still off the charts.

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ImperialistSalvia wrote:A fine show of true progress!

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:02 pm

I find this exceptionally hard to believe.
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Postby Gingeska » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:02 pm

80%?

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I'm going to join the "bullshit" bandwagon on this one.
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Postby AkAr Cydonia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:02 pm

The dumbing down of America is working. IQ levels have supposedly dropped also according to the military.

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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:03 pm

Burleson wrote:*snips OP*


I'd hardly call Mayor Bloomberg's education policies "liberal". His educational philosophy can best be described as "starve the public schools, feed the charter schools". And at the time that piece was written, Bloomberg had been the Mayor for a decade.

If anything, your piece demonstrates the failure of right-wing education policies, in that it shows the logical consequences of starving the public education system at every turn.

I'd also like to know - as an aside - how the piece arrived at the 80% figure. Of 10,000 students applying for community college, 8,000 failed the literacy/numeracy tests: well, and well enough - but how did they pick those 10,000? I smell selection bias - especially since RT is on a self-appointed mission to make America, and particularly liberals in America, look bad.
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Postby Papal Republics » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:04 pm

I would expect a high percentage of NYC high schoolers lack basic skills, being a large city with many poor areas. But the figure mentioned here seems to be unbelievable. Are you sure the source is valid?
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Papal Republics wrote:I would expect a high percentage of NYC high schoolers lack basic skills, being a large city with many poor areas. But the figure mentioned here seems to be unbelievable. Are you sure the source is valid?


It's RT, that's just as bad as Fox. OP, give us a good source pl0x.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:You're using RT? Really? Until we can get a good source I'm gonna have to call bullshit.

New sources have been added to suit your tastes.
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Burleson wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:You're using RT? Really? Until we can get a good source I'm gonna have to call bullshit.

New sources have been added to suit your tastes.


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Burleson wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:It has been estimated that areas in the United States with higher immigrant populations have the lowest literacy rates in the country

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

People who don't speak English as a first language are not as fluent in English as people who've been brought up speaking it their entire lives? Color me shocked...
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Postby New Chalcedon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:06 pm

Papal Republics wrote:I would expect a high percentage of NYC high schoolers lack basic skills, being a large city with many poor areas. But the figure mentioned here seems to be unbelievable. Are you sure the source is valid?


It's higher than I thought it would be, which is why I'm asking to see the methodology RT used to arrive at their figure. Having said that, it -is- at the upper end of believable, since the public education system in NYC had been starved of funds and resources for a decade or more as of the time that piece was written.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Papal Republics wrote:I would expect a high percentage of NYC high schoolers lack basic skills, being a large city with many poor areas. But the figure mentioned here seems to be unbelievable. Are you sure the source is valid?


It's RT, that's just as bad as Fox. OP, give us a good source pl0x.

Fox is the most trustworthy news source according to a majority of Americans, but that's a topic for another thread.
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New Chalcedon wrote:
Burleson wrote:*snips OP*


I'd hardly call Mayor Bloomberg's education policies "liberal". His educational philosophy can best be described as "starve the public schools, feed the charter schools". And at the time that piece was written, Bloomberg had been the Mayor for a decade.

If anything, your piece demonstrates the failure of right-wing education policies, in that it shows the logical consequences of starving the public education system at every turn.

I'd also like to know - as an aside - how the piece arrived at the 80% figure. Of 10,000 students applying for community college, 8,000 failed the literacy/numeracy tests: well, and well enough - but how did they pick those 10,000? I smell selection bias - especially since RT is on a self-appointed mission to make America, and particularly liberals in America, look bad.

And in addition, my statement about culture might also hold water about society. It's not about how smart one is, but who you know that can get one to success.
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Burleson wrote:- http://rt.com/usa/nyc-graduates-unable-to-read-011/

This is just pathetic... It's amazing that a city can be that stupid. This just shows the failure of liberal education policies. It doesn't need to be said that New York needs to fix this. Fixing this problem will lead to a drastic reduction in crime and poverty. In my opinion, the best way to fix this gruesome problem is to take a stronger stance on drugs so students can have the cognitive ability to use basic skills such as reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

On economics, foreign, and domestic issues, Bloomberg tends to be conservative. He opposed a timeline for withdrawal from the Iraq War, and criticized those who favored one. Economically, he supports government involvement in issues such as public welfare, while being strongly in favor of free trade, pro-business, and describing himself as a fiscal conservative because he balanced the city's budget.


So you know. Stop fucking blaming liberals for everything, yeah?

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Anything to shame liberals. Even when it's from an extremely biased source. Shows their true colors really.

http://www.boston.com/news/education/ar ... tion_rate/

The 80% figure is college-readiness. I highly doubt most people are university material anyways.
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Postby Faschist Deutsch Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:07 pm

I was going to make a classic "Americans are stupid joke", but I have decided not to. I don't wish to start any flame wars or insult anyone. :P

I do though highly doubt this figure... it just doesn't make sense at all and that percentage is way too high. Maybe if this happened in some 3rd world country with low literacy rates, then it might have some truth behind it. But since this result are coming from a well developed country, I see it as ridiculous.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Burleson wrote:New sources have been added to suit your tastes.


Danke sir/madam/other gender here.

His second source is newsmax, which is no better than RT. His third source is not actually a source but a piece which claims the 80% figure is actually not true.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:08 pm

He's that same mayor that wanted to ban sugar, right? I think he's a very bad man and a failure.

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Postby Traekun » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:08 pm

RT is even less trustworthy than Fox News, your second source I have never heard of, and your third source appears to be stating the statistics are wrong.

Pretty sure this was made up. Just not sure who made it up.
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Burleson wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's RT, that's just as bad as Fox. OP, give us a good source pl0x.

Fox is the most trustworthy news source according to a majority of Americans, but that's a topic for another thread.


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