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Postby Independent State AF » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:59 am

Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p
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Postby Morlod » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:42 am

Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

Exactly. And begin the anti communist wars, and restore us to our glory.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:46 am

Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

I want you to look carefully around the world, and in the history books, and find leaders who have promised to restore their nations to a position of supreme power.

Then I want you to make a list of how many of those nations actually have it.
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Postby Western Borderlands » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:59 am

Morlod wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

Exactly. And begin the anti communist wars, and restore us to our glory.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:09 am

Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

wait a minute, who is the worlds supreme superpower if not the US?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:11 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

wait a minute, who is the worlds supreme superpower if not the US?

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Postby Cyrisnia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:44 am

Morlod wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

Exactly. And begin the anti communist wars, and restore us to our glory.

What glory?
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Postby Independent State AF » Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:53 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

wait a minute, who is the worlds supreme superpower if not the US?


Good question, its pretty much a toss up at this point between the US, Russia, and China.

Also, is it so wrong to want ones country to be supreme?
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:07 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Also, is it so wrong to want ones country to be supreme?


Yes. Nationalism, especially nationalist jingoism, tends to lead to oppressive regimes.
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Postby Iron Confederation » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:10 pm

Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016. Rand Paul's just my second choice.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:12 pm

Iron Confederation wrote:Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016. Rand Paul's just my second choice.

Rooting for him to do what, break through the 1% barrier?
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Postby Western Borderlands » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:13 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Iron Confederation wrote:Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016. Rand Paul's just my second choice.

Rooting for him to do what, break through the 1% barrier?

Hey, you never know right? :p
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Postby Iron Confederation » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Iron Confederation wrote:Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016. Rand Paul's just my second choice.

Rooting for him to do what, break through the 1% barrier?

Sure!

Considering I don't live in a battleground state (SC is decidedly red), my vote doesn't really matter much anyways. May as well boost Gary's total with it.
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:25 pm

Iron Confederation wrote:Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016.


The Gary Johnson who was considered one of the most conservative governors New Mexico has ever had, who gave no-bid, overpiced contracts to build highways and prisons, and increased the size of state government every year while in office?

Not much better than the Rand Paul that, with his father, was strongly active in the dominionist Constitution Party, even being their keynote speaker in a 2009 convention.
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Postby Iron Confederation » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:55 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Iron Confederation wrote:Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016.


The Gary Johnson who was considered one of the most conservative governors New Mexico has ever had, who gave no-bid, overpiced contracts to build highways and prisons, and increased the size of state government every year while in office?

Not much better than the Rand Paul that, with his father, was strongly active in the dominionist Constitution Party, even being their keynote speaker in a 2009 convention.

The Gary Johnson who balanced New Mexico's budget by spamming his line-item veto, yeah. That one.

Also the one who supports legalization of marijuana.
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Postby Independent State AF » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:59 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p

I want you to look carefully around the world, and in the history books, and find leaders who have promised to restore their nations to a position of supreme power.

Then I want you to make a list of how many of those nations actually have it.


Well, if you take away all the racism and antisemitism Hitler did a stand up job of restoring Germany's strength.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:01 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I want you to look carefully around the world, and in the history books, and find leaders who have promised to restore their nations to a position of supreme power.

Then I want you to make a list of how many of those nations actually have it.


Well, if you take away all the racism and antisemitism Hitler did a stand up job of restoring Germany's strength.

ANd then getting the country ground into chop meat and divided in two for almost sixty years. Gut gemacht, Adolph, gut gemacht!
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:10 pm

Iron Confederation wrote:Also the one who supports legalization of marijuana.


The one that claims to, yet never once worked towards it as governor.

Also, he "balanced" the budget yet still added to spending every year.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:29 pm

Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p


Why do we deserve to be a superpower?
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Iron Confederation wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
The Gary Johnson who was considered one of the most conservative governors New Mexico has ever had, who gave no-bid, overpiced contracts to build highways and prisons, and increased the size of state government every year while in office?

Not much better than the Rand Paul that, with his father, was strongly active in the dominionist Constitution Party, even being their keynote speaker in a 2009 convention.

The Gary Johnson who balanced New Mexico's budget by spamming his line-item veto, yeah. That one.

Also the one who supports legalization of marijuana.


Yeah. Other than that and gay rights he isn't a libertarian.
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The New Sea Territory wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:Honestly, I'm for any politician that promises to restore the US to the position of Supreme Superpower. You give me an immensely powerful US, I'll give you my loyalty. :p


Why do we deserve to be a superpower?


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The New Sea Territory wrote:
Why do we deserve to be a superpower?


How else are we going to fight the aliens when they attack?


The illegal aliens! That are members of ISIS, and work with Bill Ayers to influence our government, installing CommonCore to turn your kids GAY and lower the defense so Russia can invade Europe and then we turn into a welfare state! Then they'll ban heterosexual marriages, Christianity and traditional family values!
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:29 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I want you to look carefully around the world, and in the history books, and find leaders who have promised to restore their nations to a position of supreme power.

Then I want you to make a list of how many of those nations actually have it.


Well, if you take away all the racism and antisemitism Hitler did a stand up job of restoring Germany's strength.

By starting a war that saw all of Germany's eastern provinces lost and the nation divided?
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:52 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Well, if you take away all the racism and antisemitism Hitler did a stand up job of restoring Germany's strength.


Through a plunder/slave economy that would prove ruinous after its dissolution after the end of his regime.

Also, you forget all the nonracial political prisoners that were killed. (Including socialists, communists, social democrats, and anarchists) and also the other minorities... like LGBTs and Jehovah's Witnesses.

Plus, don't act like Nazi Germany was the only one that adopted nationalism with the platform of supremacy and ended up with an oppressive regime.

There's also Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Bautista, the Kim family, and that's just the greatest hits collection.

Granted not all of them were imperialist, but the point is when you establish a doctrine of national supremacy, bad things tend to happen.
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Postby Icamera » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:41 pm

Nope. In terms of presidential elections, America's just getting bluer and bluer. Not that it'll matter much; we'll still end up with a gridlock-rich divided government, barring any sudden political shifts.
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