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Postby Othelos » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:03 am

Murkwood wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites.

Bullshit.

The Republican party is 89% white.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:06 am

Murkwood wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites.

Bullshit.

Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:09 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Bullshit.

Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.

That doesn't make them racist.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:10 am

Murkwood wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.

That doesn't make them racist.

Othelos didn't say racist, but Republican candidates tend to appeal to white people.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:11 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.

That doesn't make them racist.

When the base is built on the old Southern Democrats who defected to Nixon in the 1970s? It kind of does.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:12 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.

That doesn't make them racist.

There is a lot of conservative thinking that is clearly symbolic racism.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:13 am

Geilinor wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites. A token person from a minority doesn't change party policy; in fact, it's kind of insulting, because it shows that Republicans think they'll attract minorities just by having someone of a minority run, as if political issues don't matter to them.

The problem is also that Paul opposes Title II of the Civil Rights Act.

haven't you been following him. he denies completely now that he ever felt that way. no matter that it is on tape, IT WASNT HIM IT MUSTA BEEN HIS COUSIN!
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:14 am

Othelos wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Bullshit.

The Republican party is 89% white.

I wonder what the other 11% is.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:15 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Othelos wrote:The Republican party is 89% white.

I wonder what the other 11% is.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democ ... white.aspx
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:23 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Othelos wrote:The Republican party is 89% white.

I wonder what the other 11% is.

Cuban.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:33 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Winning the female vote is the only reason we know who Sarah Palin is. The McCain people somehow thought that Hillary's supporters would abandon Obama is they put a woman on the ticket with McCain.


I thought it was because Johnny Mac was attracted to Palin and imagined late night sessions at the Oval Office with her. He has a history of cheating and it seemed more logical than any other reason I could think of. For a man of his age, Palin is very attractive. Your idea is the safer one to make public though.

Perhaps Rand Paul could place a minority on the ticket as a way to show republicans are not just for whites. Dr. Walter Williams (respected African-American economist) would be a possible choice if he wanted to accept it. This could help him get the minority vote. I can't think of any good female choices though.


Why would that win the black vote? They tend to be a little smart about token gestures.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:35 am

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You don't think some women voted for JFK over Nixon in 1960 based on his youthful looks? Looks matter quite a bit. Ron Paul's looks are one reason his vote count was so small in past primaries (it certainly aren't his policies which were much better than policies of all the other candidates).

Of course some guys voted for McCain cause of the hawt Sarah Palin, amirite?


She wasn't hot enough, maybe if Jessica Alba was his VP he would have gotten my vote.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:36 am

Murkwood wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites.

Bullshit.


Looking past the NUHUH retort.

Care to give examples how they don't?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:37 am

Geilinor wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites. A token person from a minority doesn't change party policy; in fact, it's kind of insulting, because it shows that Republicans think they'll attract minorities just by having someone of a minority run, as if political issues don't matter to them.

The problem is also that Paul opposes Title II of the Civil Rights Act.


He opposes giving businesses the freedom to hire whom they want? How does this make him a bad guy? If anything, it gives people more freedom.
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Postby Conigsberg » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:38 am

Rand Paul has recently sold himself out as a nanny state Republican, clearly not libertarian at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvj6dPXBKS0
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:38 am

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Ashmoria wrote:I wonder what the other 11% is.

Cuban.

I didn't realize the Cruz and Rubio families were that big.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:40 am

Murkwood wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Maybe not by policy but who is the GOP these days? You can't claim blacks or Latinos in their base, not in enough numbers to make a difference.

That doesn't make them racist.


You might want to read some of their failures at outreach.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/p ... anel-hudak

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:42 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The problem is also that Paul opposes Title II of the Civil Rights Act.


He opposes giving businesses the freedom to hire whom they want? How does this make him a bad guy? If anything, it gives people more freedom.

Yay! How can We resist the offer of the freedom to be discriminated against?!?
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Dyakovo wrote:
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He opposes giving businesses the freedom to hire whom they want? How does this make him a bad guy? If anything, it gives people more freedom.

Yay! How can We resist the offer of the freedom to be discriminated against?!?


You big silly. The free market would correct that.

Racism bad so people stop going to store so store goes out of business. See the free market will solve everything!
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:57 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yay! How can We resist the offer of the freedom to be discriminated against?!?


You big silly. The free market would correct that.


Just like it did in the 60s.
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Santa Susanna wrote:No. I hope that Hillary wins.
Because all the republican presidents are far to warlike.
Give me a moderate Democratic president.

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That's pretty funny. I really hope we don't have a President that isn't competent enough to atleast change the wording when he plagiarizes Wikipedia, of all things. Or a President that plagiarizes Wikipedia at all, for that matter.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Cuban.

I didn't realize the Cruz and Rubio families were that big.

Actually, most Cubans vote Republican.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:19 pm

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Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now. He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

Everyone on Fox is pissed he left Iraq "too early."

Then clearly Fox, as we already know, is full of hypocrites. Obama followed the withdrawal date set by Bush to the letter. Obama had basically nothing to do with withdrawing from Iraq; he actually wanted to keep US troops there longer, until the Iraqi government threatened to try American war criminals.

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Postby Death Metal » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I didn't realize the Cruz and Rubio families were that big.

Actually, most Cubans vote Republican.


Older Cubans do. Younger ones are more split.
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