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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:26 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Winning the female vote is the only reason we know who Sarah Palin is. The McCain people somehow thought that Hillary's supporters would abandon Obama is they put a woman on the ticket with McCain.


I thought it was because Johnny Mac was attracted to Palin and imagined late night sessions at the Oval Office with her. He has a history of cheating and it seemed more logical than any other reason I could think of. For a man of his age, Palin is very attractive. Your idea is the safer one to make public though.

Perhaps Rand Paul could place a minority on the ticket as a way to show republicans are not just for whites. Dr. Walter Williams (respected African-American economist) would be a possible choice if he wanted to accept it. This could help him get the minority vote. I can't think of any good female choices though.

You think waving a banner that says "Vote for us! We have one of your kind on our ticket! Vote for us!" is going to work?
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Postby Bazrasha » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:28 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Winning the female vote is the only reason we know who Sarah Palin is. The McCain people somehow thought that Hillary's supporters would abandon Obama is they put a woman on the ticket with McCain.


I thought it was because Johnny Mac was attracted to Palin and imagined late night sessions at the Oval Office with her. He has a history of cheating and it seemed more logical than any other reason I could think of. For a man of his age, Palin is very attractive. Your idea is the safer one to make public though.

Perhaps Rand Paul could place a minority on the ticket as a way to show republicans are not just for whites. Dr. Walter Williams (respected African-American economist) would be a possible choice if he wanted to accept it. This could help him get the minority vote. I can't think of any good female choices though.


The token minority doesn't really help out that much, Obama did help drive up the African American votes yes bit he was already a democrat and supported policies which were already favored by African American communities in the first place.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:28 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Hillary will get 90% of the female vote-this is enough to propel her to an easy win.

Rand Paul is against abortion (something I can go either way on). This will cost him many female votes. The fact he is a man and Hillary is a woman will cost him most of the remaining female votes.

Hopefully the republicans won't be foolish enough to choose a Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton election as a way to win the female vote though.


Women don't vote for women because they share a common gender.


If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:30 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Women don't vote for women because they share a common gender.


If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).

And Hillary does..?
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:30 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Women don't vote for women because they share a common gender.


If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).

Holy sexism batman.

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Postby Murkwood » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:31 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).

Holy sexism batman.

Methinks he's joking.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:32 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I thought it was because Johnny Mac was attracted to Palin and imagined late night sessions at the Oval Office with her. He has a history of cheating and it seemed more logical than any other reason I could think of. For a man of his age, Palin is very attractive. Your idea is the safer one to make public though.

Perhaps Rand Paul could place a minority on the ticket as a way to show republicans are not just for whites. Dr. Walter Williams (respected African-American economist) would be a possible choice if he wanted to accept it. This could help him get the minority vote. I can't think of any good female choices though.

You think waving a banner that says "Vote for us! We have one of your kind on our ticket! Vote for us!" is going to work?


It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:32 am

Arkolon wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).

And Hillary does..?


she is female so looks don't matter in getting the female vote
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:33 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You think waving a banner that says "Vote for us! We have one of your kind on our ticket! Vote for us!" is going to work?


It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

It will also show that the Republicans are willing to insult minority voters by offering them a token black face.
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Postby Neragua » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:34 am

I think he could and would put up a very strong fight but that ultimately, demographics would hand Hillary the victory.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:34 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

It will also show that the Republicans are willing to insult minority voters by offering them a token black face.

Might as well use Token from South Park as the VP.

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Postby Bolrieg » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:34 am

Well if he finds the right Wikipedia page to use in his speeches then he'll win by a landslide.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:35 am

Murkwood wrote:
Spoder wrote:Just don't let Hillary get elected.

She's almost Mr. Obama's final form.

She's Obama with a vagina, a light hue on her epidermis, and a somewhat more interventionist ideology.

there are a few more differences but that's true for every potential democratic nominee.

that's why they are democrats.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:36 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the male candidate is attractive than I could imagine some women choosing him over the female candidate. However, Rand Paul doesn't have Brad Pitt looks so he can't win the female vote with his looks (except for some elderly women).

Holy sexism batman.


You don't think some women voted for JFK over Nixon in 1960 based on his youthful looks? Looks matter quite a bit. Ron Paul's looks are one reason his vote count was so small in past primaries (it certainly aren't his policies which were much better than policies of all the other candidates).
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:37 am

Bolrieg wrote:Well if he finds the right Wikipedia page to use in his speeches then he'll win by a landslide.

lol

*burn*
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:38 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Holy sexism batman.


You don't think some women voted for JFK over Nixon in 1960 based on his youthful looks? Looks matter quite a bit. Ron Paul's looks are one reason his vote count was so small in past primaries (it certainly aren't his policies which were much better than policies of all the other candidates).

Of course some guys voted for McCain cause of the hawt Sarah Palin, amirite?

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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:38 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Bolrieg wrote:Well if he finds the right Wikipedia page to use in his speeches then he'll win by a landslide.

lol

*burn*

Back story, please?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

It will also show that the Republicans are willing to insult minority voters by offering them a token black face.


He writes some brilliant articles and has excellent education, his way of thinking would be welcome in the White House.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:54 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You think waving a banner that says "Vote for us! We have one of your kind on our ticket! Vote for us!" is going to work?


It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites. A token person from a minority doesn't change party policy; in fact, it's kind of insulting, because it shows that Republicans think they'll attract minorities just by having someone of a minority run, as if political issues don't matter to them.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:56 am

Othelos wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites.

Bullshit.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:57 am

Arkolon wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:lol

*burn*

Back story, please?

mr paul has been caught plagiarizing Wikipedia pages in his speeches.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:57 am

Othelos wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
It will show people that Rand Paul isn't racist (as many probably assume simply because he is a white male republican).

That's not the problem. The problem is that the GOP itself favors whites. A token person from a minority doesn't change party policy; in fact, it's kind of insulting, because it shows that Republicans think they'll attract minorities just by having someone of a minority run, as if political issues don't matter to them.

The problem is also that Paul opposes Title II of the Civil Rights Act.
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Postby Bolrieg » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:59 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Bolrieg wrote:Well if he finds the right Wikipedia page to use in his speeches then he'll win by a landslide.

lol

*burn*

I'm surprised no one beat me to it.

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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:02 am


It sounds really petty a thing to counter him on. Re: Gattaca, I would have probably done the same, yet with more word alterations. Does he write his own speeches, by the way?
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