Can Rand Paul beat Hillary?

[Calisu]

If he was white would as many people hate him so much?

They wouldn't have as much fodder to throw at him, for one. No "he's a Muslim!" or "he must be born in Kenya!"

No more birthers

[Kelinfort]

If he was white would as many people hate him so much?

Yes... they would.

Of course, Rush would play "Barack the magic cracker" not to mention, plenty of people would call him a monkey all the time. Or mock his middle name. Or call him not an American. Or a Kenyan Anti-Colonialist. Or call him a Muslim.

[Murkwood]

If he was white would as many people hate him so much?

They wouldn't have as much fodder to throw at him, for one. No "he's a Muslim!" or "he must be born in Kenya!"

That was a very small minority. Like, really small. It's like the Bush did 9/11 crowd, only that one is bigger.

[Norstal]

Because I like seeing brown people tortured, right?

While that might be true, I was referring to the fact that you think "enhanced interrogation techniques" have value.

You can end torture while keeping Guantanamo intact.

[Ifreann]

If he was white would as many people hate him so much?

Yes... they would.

Well that's just ridiculous. Whatever you may think about Obama, you can't deny that there are people who just hate black people, and thus hate Obama more than they would hate a white president who did the exact same things.

[Murkwood]

Yes... they would.

Well that's just ridiculous. Whatever you may think about Obama, you can't deny that there are people who just hate black people, and thus hate Obama more than they would hate a white president who did the exact same things.

But there are more people who love Obama and defend him precisely because he is black!

[Dyakovo]

They wouldn't have as much fodder to throw at him, for one. No "he's a Muslim!" or "he must be born in Kenya!"

That was a very small minority. Like, really small. It's like the Bush did 9/11 crowd, only that one is bigger.

Not nearly as small as you'd like to think (nor as small as it should be).

[Norstal]

Well that's just ridiculous. Whatever you may think about Obama, you can't deny that there are people who just hate black people, and thus hate Obama more than they would hate a white president who did the exact same things.

But there are more people who love Obama and defend him precisely because he is black!

Only as a reaction to those who hate him because he's black.

[Dyakovo]

While that might be true, I was referring to the fact that you think "enhanced interrogation techniques" have value.

You can end torture while keeping Guantanamo intact.

True, but having a detention center overseas serves no purpose.

[Ifreann]

Well that's just ridiculous. Whatever you may think about Obama, you can't deny that there are people who just hate black people, and thus hate Obama more than they would hate a white president who did the exact same things.

But there are more people who love Obama and defend him precisely because he is black!

And you think all those people would hate a white president who was otherwise identical to Obama?

[Freiheit Reich]

She will also get a Noble Prize just for that accomplishment. Tell me again why Obama won a Noble Prize?

They're Nobel Prizes, for one. And Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush, basically.

Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now. He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

[Murkwood]

But there are more people who love Obama and defend him precisely because he is black!

And you think all those people would hate a white president who was otherwise identical to Obama?

Maybe not hate, but they wouldn't like him as much.

[Murkwood]

They're Nobel Prizes, for one. And Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush, basically.

Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now. He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

> great patriot
> Edward Snowden

[Kelinfort]

And you think all those people would hate a white president who was otherwise identical to Obama?

Maybe not hate, but they wouldn't like him as much.

Something tells me they wouldn't say something like this.

[Kelinfort]

They're Nobel Prizes, for one. And Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush, basically.

Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now. He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

Everyone on Fox is pissed he left Iraq "too early."

[Murkwood]

Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now. He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

Everyone on Fox is pissed he left Iraq "too early."

And he did.

[Ifreann]

They're Nobel Prizes, for one. And Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush, basically.

Is this a good reason to win or did it simply cheapen the award? I will find it hard to respect the award now.

Somehow I can't imagine you respected it very much before Obama won it.

He is basically another Bush anyways (just as Hillary will be). He took his sweet time leaving Iraq and he still has kept us in Afghanistan and he opposes civil liberties (look at his comments about the great patriot Snowden). They need to apologize for giving him the award.

No, they don't.

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And you think all those people would hate a white president who was otherwise identical to Obama?

Maybe not hate, but they wouldn't like him as much.

So if he was white, fewer people would hate him.

[Freiheit Reich]

She will also get a Noble Prize just for that accomplishment. Tell me again why Obama won a Noble Prize?

The mainstream media will also be forbidden from criticizing Hillary for fear of being labeled anti-woman. They will also blame all of Hillary's problems on the poor legacy Bush left her because Obama never made any bad decisions, he just had to deal with bad problems Bush left him.

I'm tired of all this Bush blaming. Putting aside the fact that I liked him, blaming Bush is such a cop-out.

I hate Bush but I agree with you. Blaming Bush in the first year made sense but his bad policies could have been overturned (or at least efforts could have been made to overturn them).

I bet that Hillary will follow many of Bush's policies (while criticizing republicans) while adding even more regulations and perhaps getting us involved in another 'peacekeeping mission.' What is funny is that many Bush bashers will vote for Hillary over Rand Paul thinking that Hillary is the pro-freedom candidate.

[Kelinfort]

Everyone on Fox is pissed he left Iraq "too early."

And he did.

To be honest, I don't give a shit about Iraq anymore. Though, it is fun to bomb ISIS with the drones. Yeah...

But besides that, useless waste of time and money, along with life.

[Geilinor]

Well that's just ridiculous. Whatever you may think about Obama, you can't deny that there are people who just hate black people, and thus hate Obama more than they would hate a white president who did the exact same things.

But there are more people who love Obama and defend him precisely because he is black!

Who's defending him for being black? Do people who like Reagan defend him for being white?
Oh, wait...
Not serious, just a sarcastic joke.

[Murkwood]

I'm tired of all this Bush blaming. Putting aside the fact that I liked him, blaming Bush is such a cop-out.

I hate Bush but I agree with you. Blaming Bush in the first year made sense but his bad policies could have been overturned (or at least efforts could have been made to overturn them).

I bet that Hillary will follow many of Bush's policies (while criticizing republicans) while adding even more regulations and perhaps getting us involved in another 'peacekeeping mission.' What is funny is that many Bush bashers will vote for Hillary over Rand Paul thinking that Hillary is the pro-freedom candidate.

Pro-freedom? Unless we are talking Bernie Sanders and Economic freedom, most politicians are pro-freedom.

[Murkwood]

And he did.

To be honest, I don't give a shit about Iraq anymore. Though, it is fun to bomb ISIS with the drones. Yeah...

But besides that, useless waste of time and money, along with life.

All those who died under Saddam beg to differ.

[Geilinor]

What is funny is that many Bush bashers will vote for Hillary over Rand Paul thinking that Hillary is the pro-freedom candidate.

If Rand Paul is even an option in 2016. He probably won't get the nomination.

[Kelinfort]

To be honest, I don't give a shit about Iraq anymore. Though, it is fun to bomb ISIS with the drones. Yeah...

But besides that, useless waste of time and money, along with life.

All those who died under Saddam beg to differ.

All those who died during the invasion, occupation, insurgency, and ISIL occupation beg to differ, as well.

You end up with the same number dead, with a few Americans sprinkled in. Waste of our time.

[Geilinor]

To be honest, I don't give a shit about Iraq anymore. Though, it is fun to bomb ISIS with the drones. Yeah...

But besides that, useless waste of time and money, along with life.

All those who died under Saddam beg to differ.

He said, "anymore". Which implies he once gave a shit but no longer does.