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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:54 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If you have to ask that question, I question whether you understand this issue at all.

I understand the issue, please answer the question.


Read the question:
Do you have a problem with transgender persons?

Read the first option:
I have no problem with it.

Is it ok to refer to persons as ''it''?
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:55 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Well...

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:clap:

wait...what

edit: oh, 666.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:02 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I don't exactly care about your discomfort.

I thought liberals were caring people.

Are you saying non-liberals aren't caring people?
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Ulrenon
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ulrenon wrote:I understand the issue, please answer the question.


Read the question:
Do you have a problem with transgender persons?

Read the first option:
I have no problem with it.

Is it ok to refer to persons as ''it''?


Is it OK? I don't know, it depends on what you think is and isn't OK.

Does it make you uncomfortable when someone calls a transexual "it"?

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Read the question:
Do you have a problem with transgender persons?

Read the first option:
I have no problem with it.

Is it ok to refer to persons as ''it''?


Is it OK? I don't know, it depends on what you think is and isn't OK.

Does it make you uncomfortable when someone calls a transexual "it"?


It bothers me when people are referred to as ''it''. People aren't things.
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ulrenon wrote:
Is it OK? I don't know, it depends on what you think is and isn't OK.

Does it make you uncomfortable when someone calls a transexual "it"?


It bothers me when people are referred to as ''it''. People aren't things.

Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:07 pm

I think it's pretty strange, but it's not something I particularly care about.

Edit: it is pretty funny when people start coming up with bullshit identities like thinking they're a dog or something.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:08 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It bothers me when people are referred to as ''it''. People aren't things.

Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.

Because referring to people as "it" is wrong.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:08 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It bothers me when people are referred to as ''it''. People aren't things.

Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you and the people that support you are uncomfortable.


Well, it doesn't really. However, when a person walks around making offensive remarks, that they know are offensive, it says a lot about the relative level of maturity of the person making them. We can safely dismiss people who do not behave politely in society.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:09 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It bothers me when people are referred to as ''it''. People aren't things.

Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.

Even though I know it's an innocent mistake on OP's part, I just find it really ironic to say you support someone yet refer to them as an it (assuming they don't like being called it).
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:09 pm

Othelos wrote:
Ulrenon wrote:Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.

Because referring to people as "it" is wrong.

It may be wrong to you, but it isn't wrong to a good amount of people. Noone shares the same universal ideal.

Othelos wrote:
Ulrenon wrote:Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.

Because referring to people as "it" is wrong.


Same response as above.

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Postby Tekania » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:09 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:What other reason for such pro-gay support ?


The ability to how empathy to your fellow humans.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:10 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Othelos wrote:Because referring to people as "it" is wrong.

It may be wrong to you, but it isn't wrong to a good amount of people. Noone shares the same universal ideal.

Not even that, it's also grammatically wrong.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:11 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Ulrenon wrote:Alright, give us a reason why it matters whether or not you are uncomfortable.

Even though I know it's an innocent mistake on OP's part, I just find it really ironic to say you support someone yet refer to them as an it (assuming they don't like being called it).


I hope it is a mistake. But it's nevertheless telling to see some posters's opinions on even this innocent mistake (if it is).
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:12 pm

Ulrenon wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Read the question:
Do you have a problem with transgender persons?

Read the first option:
I have no problem with it.

Is it ok to refer to persons as ''it''?


Is it OK? I don't know, it depends on what you think is and isn't OK.

Does it make you uncomfortable when someone calls a transexual "it"?

What do you use the word "it" for? What is its syntactic meaning?
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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:16 pm

I have no problem with it after they have the surgery. Both from an english language perspective and from a medical perspective, I'm not going to treat them like a man and use male pronouns unless they have male genitals, and vice-versa. I do not like the idea of someone thinking that they should be treated in a special way simply because they think that they're special. Until they actually take actions to change that (like having a gender alteration surgery) I'm not going to treat them any differently.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Even though I know it's an innocent mistake on OP's part, I just find it really ironic to say you support someone yet refer to them as an it (assuming they don't like being called it).


I hope it is a mistake. But it's nevertheless telling to see some posters's opinions on even this innocent mistake (if it is).

Indeed. At this point I think some people complain about such simple things just to complain. That or they don't understand how important being called by the right pronouns can be for some folks. I'm assuming it's a mix of both.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:17 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I hope it is a mistake. But it's nevertheless telling to see some posters's opinions on even this innocent mistake (if it is).

Indeed. At this point I think some people complain about such simple things just to complain. That or they don't understand how important being called by the right pronouns can be for some folks. I'm assuming it's a mix of both.


And it is so easy and right to call people by the pronouns they wish to be called by.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:18 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I hope it is a mistake. But it's nevertheless telling to see some posters's opinions on even this innocent mistake (if it is).

Indeed. At this point I think some people complain about such simple things just to complain. That or they don't understand how important being called by the right pronouns can be for some folks. I'm assuming it's a mix of both.

It's like if you were a guy, for example, and people intentionally and in a demeaning way called you a girl over and over, or referred to you as a 'she'.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:18 pm

Riiser-Larsen wrote:I have no problem with it after they have the surgery. Both from an english language perspective and from a medical perspective, I'm not going to treat them like a man and use male pronouns unless they have male genitals, and vice-versa. I do not like the idea of someone thinking that they should be treated in a special way simply because they think that they're special. Until they actually take actions to change that (like having a gender alteration surgery) I'm not going to treat them any differently.

It's more of an issue of comfort and not an issue of thinking they're special. Being misgendered can be a very dysphoric experience for some trans people (especially when it's deliberate).
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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:21 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Riiser-Larsen wrote:I have no problem with it after they have the surgery. Both from an english language perspective and from a medical perspective, I'm not going to treat them like a man and use male pronouns unless they have male genitals, and vice-versa. I do not like the idea of someone thinking that they should be treated in a special way simply because they think that they're special. Until they actually take actions to change that (like having a gender alteration surgery) I'm not going to treat them any differently.

It's more of an issue of comfort and not an issue of thinking they're special. Being misgendered can be a very dysphoric experience for some trans people (especially when it's deliberate).

I'll take consideration for their comfort when someone can find me a good reason that they believe they are the wrong gender, like a genetic anomaly or a chemical imbalance. As it stands, if it's only someone's opinion or belief that they're the wrong gender, I'm not doing anything special for them. Doing so would minimize the struggle of people who actually do have genetic anomalies or chemical imbalances that cause them to be different than the societal norms, like people who are homosexual or asexual.
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Postby The Kwannumastic Republic of Andenia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:22 pm

Riiser-Larsen wrote:I have no problem with it after they have the surgery. Both from an english language perspective and from a medical perspective, I'm not going to treat them like a man and use male pronouns unless they have male genitals, and vice-versa. I do not like the idea of someone thinking that they should be treated in a special way simply because they think that they're special. Until they actually take actions to change that (like having a gender alteration surgery) I'm not going to treat them any differently.


Many trans people never have 'the surgery' for various reasons. Sex and gender are two different things, and they don't always match. They're not looking for 'special' treatment, they just want to be themselves, just like everybody else wants to be.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:22 pm

Riiser-Larsen wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:It's more of an issue of comfort and not an issue of thinking they're special. Being misgendered can be a very dysphoric experience for some trans people (especially when it's deliberate).

I'll take consideration for their comfort when someone can find me a good reason that they believe they are the wrong gender, like a genetic anomaly or a chemical imbalance. As it stands, if it's only someone's opinion or belief that they're the wrong gender, I'm not doing anything special for them. Doing so would minimize the struggle of people who actually do have genetic anomalies or chemical imbalances that cause them to be different than the societal norms, like people who are homosexual or asexual.


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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:23 pm

Riiser-Larsen wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:It's more of an issue of comfort and not an issue of thinking they're special. Being misgendered can be a very dysphoric experience for some trans people (especially when it's deliberate).

I'll take consideration for their comfort when someone can find me a good reason that they believe they are the wrong gender, like a genetic anomaly or a chemical imbalance. As it stands, if it's only someone's opinion or belief that they're the wrong gender, I'm not doing anything special for them. Doing so would minimize the struggle of people who actually do have genetic anomalies or chemical imbalances that cause them to be different than the societal norms, like people who are homosexual or asexual.

Trans people's brains are different; it's psychological. Gimme a minute to find some articles about it.
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Postby Tekania » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:25 pm

Riiser-Larsen wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:It's more of an issue of comfort and not an issue of thinking they're special. Being misgendered can be a very dysphoric experience for some trans people (especially when it's deliberate).

I'll take consideration for their comfort when someone can find me a good reason that they believe they are the wrong gender, like a genetic anomaly or a chemical imbalance. As it stands, if it's only someone's opinion or belief that they're the wrong gender, I'm not doing anything special for them. Doing so would minimize the struggle of people who actually do have genetic anomalies or chemical imbalances that cause them to be different than the societal norms, like people who are homosexual or asexual.


Why not just treat people as they express to be treated when they express to be treated in a certain way. It's pretty simple. If someone presents themselves female.... treat them as you would another female. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
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