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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
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27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
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5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
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14%
 
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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:As i said, it's a psychological thing. When you find out that the beautiful girl you slept with used to be a guy it really screws up your viewpoint.

I don't see how that matters, though. She looks like a girl.

But she isn't one.
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Othelos
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:12 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?


What if she looks like a dog ? or a car ? what if she IS a car ? Does it really matter what you fall in love with ?
Right?
Wrong. Does it really matter if all things begin to lose meaning and identity now ? YES, it bloody does. Men are men and girls are girls. Period.

no pun intended

Right, girls are girls. So I'm still not seeing how it matters if someone is trans or not.
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Postby Rastynhaven » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:12 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.


Than the transsexual shouldn't have any intimate relationships except with homosexuals.


There are heterosexual transsexuals.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:13 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't see how that matters, though. She looks like a girl.

But she isn't one.

Yes, she is.

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Postby Rastynhaven » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:13 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't see how that matters, though. She looks like a girl.

But she isn't one.


She is a girl. Just not a cisgender girl.
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Freiheit Reich
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:13 pm

Rastynhaven wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.


Or maybe value her as a person and how she's a girl now instead of what she was born as?

As a heterosexual teenage girl, I would not care if my boyfriend or the guy I sleep with was pre-op FtM.


Society considers it more acceptable for women to have homosexual relations than men. Women are probably more likely to be open-minded about this. For many men it would be depressing and it wouldn't surprise me if some even commit suicide and/or murder as a result of the deception.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:14 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't see how that matters, though. She looks like a girl.

But she isn't one.

Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:15 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

I reckon it's something you should disclose when you are about to engage in intercourse.


Before kissing would be a better time or even before the first date (so the guy won't have to waste money or time for the date with someone that don't want to be with).
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:15 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Rastynhaven wrote:
Or maybe value her as a person and how she's a girl now instead of what she was born as?

As a heterosexual teenage girl, I would not care if my boyfriend or the guy I sleep with was pre-op FtM.


Society considers it more acceptable for women to have homosexual relations than men. Women are probably more likely to be open-minded about this. For many men it would be depressing and it wouldn't surprise me if some even commit suicide and/or murder as a result of the deception.

That is such an idiotic reason to commit suicide or murder...
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Postby Rastynhaven » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Othelos wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Society considers it more acceptable for women to have homosexual relations than men. Women are probably more likely to be open-minded about this. For many men it would be depressing and it wouldn't surprise me if some even commit suicide and/or murder as a result of the deception.

That is such an idiotic reason to commit suicide or murder...


Well it's what happened to Gwen Araujo and countless other transpeople.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.

That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?


That is for the non-transsexual to decide. Yes, it does matter to many. Remember, it might go against some people's religious/moral beliefs as well.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:But she isn't one.

Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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I can dress up as a bear. Won't make me a bear, though.
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Othelos
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I reckon it's something you should disclose when you are about to engage in intercourse.


Before kissing would be a better time or even before the first date (so the guy won't have to waste money or time for the date with someone that don't want to be with).

Maybe if she is pre-op, but post-op shouldn't matter.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:17 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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I can dress up as a bear. Won't make me a bear, though.

You probably have come into contact with transsexuals without even knowing. The point is, if she looks female, what's the issue?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:17 pm

I have no problem with people pursuing what they need to make them happy (as long as it harms no one). Trangender people are pursuing that which they need to make themselves happy, which harms no one. I have no problem with them. They're people, same as me, and deserve respect and the opportunity to be happy.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:18 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:But she isn't one.

Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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The latter. It's so easy to know
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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:18 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I can dress up as a bear. Won't make me a bear, though.

You probably have come into contact with transsexuals without even knowing. The point is, if she looks female, what's the issue?

The issue is that she isn't a girl.
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have no problem with people pursuing what they need to make them happy (as long as it harms no one). Trangender people are pursuing that which they need to make themselves happy, which harms no one. I have no problem with them. They're people, same as me, and deserve respect and the opportunity to be happy.

Agreed.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I can dress up as a bear. Won't make me a bear, though.

You probably have come into contact with transsexuals without even knowing. The point is, if she looks female, what's the issue?


the only time that was an issue with was when i was using the wrong terms to address.. erm... "them"? I don't this is the same thing but it's the closest I got.
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:20 pm

I...hmm...

I don't hate the idea of it, but it does bother me. I don't really want anything to do with transgender people so I don't hunt them down just to say "hey I don't like you" or "step on my grass and we will have a problem", but at the same time I do my best to avoid them. I don't really understand their reasoning, but then again they honestly feel what they are doing is right and it is who they are.

As an example I have a cousin of mine who I will just call Sam, and Sam has recently become a female. Sam called me because Sam knew I was very uncomfortable around transgender and asked me if I wouldn't call Sam by his real name, but instead Veronica. Sam also said that if I just gave Sam a chance I would see Sam is still the same person. I basically stayed silent and hung up the second Sam stopped talking.

I don't really have a problem with Transgender people as long as they understand I was raised believing it is wrong to do those kinds of things and I don't want to converse or deal with them. As long as they leave me alone I will leave them alone.

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The Count of Monte Cristo
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:23 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:But she isn't one.

Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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Let me answer that.
First of all, they´re both gorgeous. It´s not like any of them is carring a "post-OP woman" sign.
Second, depends on what the man wants. He wants to marry her ? Fine. Have children of their own ? A bit more difficult. And since she´s gorgeous and probably the man isn´t supposed to know Grey´s Anatomy or be a gynecologist, she ought to be straight with the man and tell him about her previous condition, what she was before she became.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:23 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:You probably have come into contact with transsexuals without even knowing. The point is, if she looks female, what's the issue?

The issue is that she isn't a girl.

She's a girl, jut not a cis girl.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:24 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Othelos wrote:Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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Let me answer that.
First of all, they´re both gorgeous. It´s not like any of them is carring a "post-OP woman" sign.
Second, depends on what the man wants. He wants to marry her ? Fine. Have children of their own ? A bit more difficult. And since she´s gorgeous and probably the man isn´t supposed to know Grey´s Anatomy or be a gynecologist, she ought to be straight with vhe man and tell him about her previous condition, whav she was before she became.

She can tell him whenever she wants to. He isn't entitled to know her medical history, just like she isn't entitled to his.
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Postby Cuprum » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:24 pm

I do not give a damn. They can do whatever they want with their bodies, it doesn't change the fact that they're humans after all

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:25 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Let me answer that.
First of all, they´re both gorgeous. It´s not like any of them is carring a "post-OP woman" sign.
Second, depends on what the man wants. He wants to marry her ? Fine. Have children of their own ? A bit more difficult. And since she´s gorgeous and probably the man isn´t supposed to know Grey´s Anatomy or be a gynecologist, she ought to be straight with vhe man and tell him about her previous condition, whav she was before she became.

She can tell him whenever she wants to. He isn't entitled to know her medical history, just like she isn't entitled to his.

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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:26 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:But she isn't one.

Really? then tell me which one of these two is transsexual.

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Top one.

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