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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:57 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Fear of this keeps me up at night. *shudders*


Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Very much so, yes.
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The Count of Monte Cristo
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:59 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I got the food. *Wanders off muttering, chocolate sauce and honey. Which is better strawberry of vanilla?

Any way back on topic. I just wish the world would let people be as long as they aren't harming themselves or others.

I think there would be less transphobia if people were educated on it and knew that gender dysphoria won't harm them.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:00 pm

I have a fetish for cute post-op trans women.

So I think it's fine.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:02 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Very much so, yes.

Why?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:03 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:04 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Very much so, yes.

Why?

Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

People might be uncomfortable with it.
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Postby Rastynhaven » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:05 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why?

Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.


Or maybe value her as a person and how she's a girl now instead of what she was born as?

As a heterosexual teenage girl, I would not care if my boyfriend or the guy I sleep with was pre-op FtM.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:06 pm

Liriena wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

I reckon it's something you should disclose when you are about to engage in intercourse.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:06 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why?

Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.

That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:07 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.

And in the underlined lies the problem. Wrong mindset.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:07 pm

Rastynhaven wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.


Or maybe value her as a person and how she's a girl now instead of what she was born as?

As a heterosexual teenage girl, I would not care if my boyfriend or the guy I sleep with was pre-op FtM.

I can still value her as a person and no longer feel attracted to her. I can't make myself feel attracted to that type of person. That won't stop me from continuing a friendship, however.
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Postby Rastynhaven » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:08 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

I reckon it's something you should disclose when you are about to engage in intercourse.


If she's pre-op, then sure, if only to give her partner some time to adjust. If she's post-op, she doesn't need to tell anyone unless she's getting married or something.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:08 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

I reckon it's something you should disclose when you are about to engage in intercourse.


Either way, in general the trust has to be there, hopefully, before people get to that point.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:08 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.

That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?

I guess it's more of a psychological thing than anything else. I just don't feel attracted to that, and there's nothing i can do to change that.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:08 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

People might be uncomfortable with it.

And some people might be uncomfortable sleeping with a Satanist. That doesn't mean someone is obligated to reveal their religious affiliation to a prospective partner.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:09 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.

People might be uncomfortable with it.

Understandable, but I'd say one should try to be understanding about transsexual people not disclosing their past medical history, and not accuse them of being deceitful for it.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:09 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?

I guess it's more of a psychological thing than anything else. I just don't feel attracted to that, and there's nothing i can do to change that.

But…if you slept with her, then presumably you're attracted to her.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:10 pm

Othelos wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Why does it matter that much? A girl is a girl. I think it would be more obvious if someone was FtM (based on genitalia), but MtF's look pretty much the same.

Although I could be wrong(?)


There is a word to call transsexual people but it is not woman or a man. I can only think of a word that is banned on NSG but it is valid and not really offensive (although some people think the word is offensive for reasons I can't explain). A transsexual is neither a man or a woman but more of a hybrid of the two.

Sorry but that person in the photo is not a woman. Nobody can change into a pure woman or vice-versa.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:10 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I guess it's more of a psychological thing than anything else. I just don't feel attracted to that, and there's nothing i can do to change that.

But…if you slept with her, then presumably you're attracted to her.

As i said, it's a psychological thing. When you find out that the beautiful girl you slept with used to be a guy it really screws up your viewpoint.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:10 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?

I guess it's more of a psychological thing than anything else. I just don't feel attracted to that, and there's nothing i can do to change that.

That's just transphobia. If people can get over homophobia, they can get over transphobia.
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Othelos wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Because a heterosexual male isn't generally interested in transsexuals. The thought of the girl you just slept with being actually a guy is something that can really mess your head up.

That's the thing, though - she isn't 'actually a guy'. And if she looks like a girl, why does it matter?


What if she looks like a dog ? or a car ? what if she IS a car ? Does it really matter what you fall in love with ?
Right?
Wrong. Does it really matter if all things begin to lose meaning and identity now ? YES, it bloody does. Men are men and girls are girls. Period.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:But…if you slept with her, then presumably you're attracted to her.

As i said, it's a psychological thing. When you find out that the beautiful girl you slept with used to be a guy it really screws up your viewpoint.

I don't see how that matters, though. She looks like a girl.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why does it matter that much? A girl is a girl. I think it would be more obvious if someone was FtM (based on genitalia), but MtF's look pretty much the same.

Although I could be wrong(?)


There is a word to call transsexual people but it is not woman or a man. I can only think of a word that is banned on NSG but it is valid and not really offensive (although some people think the word is offensive for reasons I can't explain). A transsexual is neither a man or a woman but more of a hybrid of the two.

Sorry but that person in the photo is not a woman. Nobody can change into a pure woman or vice-versa.

This is also somewhat true.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:11 pm

Liriena wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Hopefully the transsexual is honest before any intimacy occurs. Otherwise, it is cruel deception.

Or it's just a transsexual woman keeping her medical history to herself, as is her right. Not all transsexual women are comfortable disclosing the gender they were designated at birth, and for good reasons. Even to this day transgender women, particularly transgender women of colour, are particularly vulnerable to hate crimes, and "trans panic" defenses are still used.


Than the transsexual shouldn't have any intimate relationships except with homosexuals.
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