Public Opinion on Transgender Persons

[Valica]

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

Arkolon, I may not agree with you on many political issues, but god damn does this make me respect the fuck out of you.

[Captiotia]

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

Use they until you can ask their preferred pronouns.
That's how it should be for everyone.

[Farnhamia]

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

Use they until you can ask their preferred pronouns.
That's how it should be for everyone.

Yep ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

[Ifreann]

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

Ask nicely and I'm sure the person in question will let you know how they would like to be referred to.

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Yeah, but anyone who has something in their nation name probably isn't that thing.

I mean, do I look like a badly-spelled demigod to you?

Yeah, its pretty much the First Law of NS that if somebody's nation name is a good concept, they're pretty much guaranteed to be the opposite. And that if their nation name is a bad concept, its guaranteed that the concept accurately describes them.

I.E., Somebody named "Nazi Douchebags" is assuredly going to be a Nazi Douchebag. Somebody named "Good and Intelligent People" is going to be an utterly stupid cunt.

My name means hell, but I'm delightful.

[Grenartia]

Exception that proves the rule. You're notable in that you do not follow the trend.

SICK RECOVERY~!

I'm good at those.

I think it's a terrible affliction, to be dissociated from one's body and sex. 1. I pity the people confused about their gender and 2. think they should be given professional assistance to help them come to terms with their biological sex.

1. We're not confused.

2. So you agree that transition is the proper treatment for gender dysphoria? Good.

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

Ask nicely and I'm sure the person in question will let you know how they would like to be referred to.

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Yeah, its pretty much the First Law of NS that if somebody's nation name is a good concept, they're pretty much guaranteed to be the opposite. And that if their nation name is a bad concept, its guaranteed that the concept accurately describes them.

I.E., Somebody named "Nazi Douchebags" is assuredly going to be a Nazi Douchebag. Somebody named "Good and Intelligent People" is going to be an utterly stupid cunt.

My name means hell, but I'm delightful.

Well, they do say heaven for the weather, hell for the company...

[Juristonia]

As with most things in life, if it ain't hurting anyone, I don't see a problem with it.

[The Sanguinian Islands]

We've gone full Tumblr, folks.

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

[Gelgisith]

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

Use they until you can ask their preferred pronouns.
That's how it should be for everyone.

Singular they works fine in English, but in Dutch it's not an option (that i know of)...

[Ifreann]

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

One imagines her parents were very much involved and it wasn't a decision taken lightly.

[Calisu]

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

One imagines her parents were very much involved and it wasn't a decision taken lightly.

16 is considered an adult in many countries she didn't have to involve parents at all.

[Captiotia]

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

One imagines her parents were very much involved and it wasn't a decision taken lightly.

Especially after an entire childhood of feeling that way.

[Grenartia]

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

One imagines her parents were very much involved and it wasn't a decision taken lightly.

One also thinks that since the standard age at which one can consent to SRS is 18, that 16 not that "too young" to make the decision.

[Ifreann]

One imagines her parents were very much involved and it wasn't a decision taken lightly.

16 is considered an adult in many countries she didn't have to involve parents at all.

True.

[Lantianguo]

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

16 though

that is way too young for a decision like that

I'm yay and nay on that. I actually think the NHS here has it right (for once!) - people's gender tends to be more fluid when they're young, and I know many who considered transitioning earlier who decided against or detransitioned as they reached adulthood. "Puberty blockers" are often seen as a money for nothing situation, but many forget that puberty blockers literally are half of the HRT, and, moreso with trans women at least, can fuck up the pituitary gland and stunt liver development and stuff at that age. The NHS thus says that at the age of 16, even without parental consent, you can get puberty blockers, as it's safe at that point to prevent everything from getting much worse at the end of the teens. With parental consent, you can get full hormones, but because people around that age still disproportionately detransition, surgery is forbidden.
At age 18 you're all clear for all hormones, and can get surgery. Sounds fair to me.

Regardless, an utmost imperative is that younger people should be allowed to be genderfluid. Equally, whilst we're on that topic, intersex sex assignment should be treated as SRS - forbidden until 18.

Just my two pence, as someone who's been transgendered since as far back as I can remember, and began medical transition at age 19, and have been active in the trans movement long before it started becoming the issue du jour 2-3 years ago

[Jumalariik]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

[Calisu]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

I love when conservatives claim that it's intolerant to not value the opinions of hate filled people.

[Othelos]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

Actually, most of the time the 'shitstorms' happen when people don't understand definitions.

[Jumalariik]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

I love when conservatives claim that it's intolerant to not value the opinions of hate filled people.

Just because I'm a protestant doesn't mean I'm conservative, I just know how tumblrites work.
What made you think I'm conservative?
Am I phobic because I pointed out the elitism of tumblrite liberals?

[Calisu]

I love when conservatives claim that it's intolerant to not value the opinions of hate filled people.

Just because I'm a protestant doesn't mean I'm conservative, I just know how tumblrites work.

Again why should we tolerate you for hating someone?

[Jumalariik]

Just because I'm a protestant doesn't mean I'm conservative, I just know how tumblrites work.

Again why should we tolerate you for hating someone?

Who said I hate anybody but elitists?
Read me sig.

[Grenartia]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

You just love using pointless buzzwords, don't you?

Also, considering the shitstorm was one of transphobia, the label is accurate. You can have different opinions without being transphobic.

Also, a fair many of us hate Dumblr with a passion. But keep going on with your assumptions, and don't let little things like facts get in your way.

[Immoren]

I love when conservatives claim that it's intolerant to not value the opinions of hate filled people.

Just because I'm a protestant doesn't mean I'm conservative, I just know how tumblrites work.
What made you think I'm conservative?
Am I phobic because I pointed out the elitism of tumblrite liberals?

"elitism" what?

[Calisu]

Again why should we tolerate you for hating someone?

Who said I hate anybody but elitists?
Read me sig.

How is treating a human as a human being elitist?

"You don't irrationally hate someone who is slightly different than you? ELITIST!"

[Othelos]

I love when conservatives claim that it's intolerant to not value the opinions of hate filled people.

Just because I'm a protestant doesn't mean I'm conservative, I just know how tumblrites work.
What made you think I'm conservative?
Am I phobic because I pointed out the elitism of tumblrite liberals?

how is supporting the rights of transgender people snobby liberal tumblr elitism?

[Jumalariik]

What is the point of this topic?
It seems to me that you have the NSG liberal vanguard creating a thread about people's opinions of transgenders. Then, they talk about opinions different from theirs as a "shitstorm." Nice and tolerant. It seems like tumblr-fascism to me.
Unless asked, I will refrain from giving an opinion on the gender orientation in question.

You just love using pointless buzzwords, don't you?

Also, considering the shitstorm was one of transphobia, the label is accurate. You can have different opinions without being transphobic.

Also, a fair many of us hate Dumblr with a passion. But keep going on with your assumptions, and don't let little things like facts get in your way.

I know that I'm right in what I'm saying because people are getting so worked up, it means that it's too close to home.
Anything-phobe is a buzzword, obvious hypocrisy.